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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening Fade to Black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church

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today is January 4th 2023 and my guest

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tonight is Isaac Arthur and we are going

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to be discussing wormholes

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E.T and a host of uh of other subjects

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that's what happens when Isaac is on the

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show with us but uh just really quick

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Isaac is of course the host of Science

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and futurism with Isaac Arthur and he

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broadcast on YouTube he's got over 700

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000 subscribers and he discusses you

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know things like colonizing the solar

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system the universe Interstellar travel

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faster than light travel speed of light

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artificial intelligence uh what else

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Isaac the Fermi Paradox of course one of

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uh my favorite things that Isaac

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discusses over there and if you haven't

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visited you should it is one of the

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reasons to have the internet he

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graduated from Kent State University

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graduating top in his class at the age

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of 20 studying physics of course then

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joined the US Army got out of the army

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then worked as a civilian researcher at

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the Air Force Institute of Technology in

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Dayton Ohio and I say it every time that

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means Isaac is one of them he is a Men

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In Black he is the man in Black let me

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see what he's wearing tonight Isaac

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Arthur there he is my man

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uh Isaac uh it's good to see you my

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friend

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um happy Holidays happy New Year

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still glad to be back out again how was

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the trip to Egypt oh man you know as

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soon as you said that a hundred thousand

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people went oh no more Egypt with Jimmy

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um yeah it was it it was incredible and

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if you haven't been uh it is an absolute

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uh bucket list thing and I know that you

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know that's a basic suggestion to

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anybody Egypt is always you know on the

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bucket list and I get that but uh it's

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the one thing on the bucket list you

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don't want to play around about you

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actually that that is something that you

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want to do it's extraordinary

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the day and it's one of his favorite

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trips to talk about to go see the

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pyramid so you know

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um here's you're a scientist right you

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deal with wondering and pondering and

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thinking right and and trying to figure

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out Solutions and measurement right

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that's what you do that's the world of

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Isaac Arthur right you're going to go to

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Egypt and go WTF right

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how did they faster than light travel is

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easier than what they did in Egypt it's

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an amazing piece of engineering that did

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kept it up for so long it's a lot like

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did so much with so little and you know

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it speaks Lots the Kyoto of mankind that

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we got that much work done right right

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now you're a smart guy right much

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smarter than I am

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wrap your head around this thought

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Giza right the Great Pyramid right the

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most coolest thing on planet Earth the

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Great Pyramid you know I have coffrey

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two thousand and six hundred years later

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where they were thousands of years

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before the rights even thought thought

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about democracy and philosophy I don't

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was paralled it and it was like we'll

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flooded in yet or over in India of

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uncle who was an archaeologist for

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mesoamerica and of course that's more

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recent but uh it's still it's it's a

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thousand years later is amazing what

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matter how smart they were well see but

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this is where you're wrong Isaac this is

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where I get to teach you can I teach you

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yeah you better hit that coffee

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you're in that coffee because Jimmy's

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coming at you here's the deal

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um to suggest that they had so very

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little because everybody does right and

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level a limestone Hilltop perfectly

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and then put two and a half million five

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ton stones on top of that and everything

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else that's inside of it without having

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a huge Advanced theoretical knowledge of

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of engineering of math and of astronomy

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and and what the Earth is and so how

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does Stone Age man do that well it's

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because it it wasn't Stone Age man

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they had Mad Skills when you go there

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and you see it for yourself right you

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put your hands out and you see it no

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there's something else going on I don't

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answers but it's it's it's it's it's

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perplexing man it is always a

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possibility and again I don't want to

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they could have had hope you know that's

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and I go by what the evidence tells me

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and here's the thing is we don't

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actually have very much evidence at all

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video could fit onto a couple shelves

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tend to go with the mainstream Theory

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out which is that they were very clever

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very willing to use unlimited supplies

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of manpower on the flip side of that nah

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somebody could have come by and give

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them some you know help your hand how

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too much and how would we know if

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somebody had come back we did an episode

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on that not that long ago just kind of

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examine that kind of theory about taking

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some fun at the the Battlestar Galactica

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series but um it is always possible that

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the ability to question

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left science I think that that's when

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because what you're saying here is the

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correct way to to attempt to look at it

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we don't know we don't have much

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information let's try to figure it out

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instead uh today's science so much

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uh uh it just it doesn't allow

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for thinking outside of your confines

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right you can't you have to stay right

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in bounds all of the time and you can't

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say you know like like what if and

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tonight tonight we're going to talk

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about wormholes and and other things and

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believe it or not they're they're kind

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of tied together because the concept of

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a wormhole if we go back it you know

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this this is the turn of the century

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when these ideas started to surface

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covered wagons horses right the car

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wasn't even invented yet but yet

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um a physicists and scientists around

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the world were thinking about these

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things relativity and and the and the

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papers and the stuff that that was all

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based on the foundations of other things

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too as well that Einstein was studying

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at the time and there were other

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physicists and scientists that were

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looking at things all around the world

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and the idea the Einstein Rose and

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Bridge and you know that came out of

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Einstein's field work that was at the

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turn of the century and that's because

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right they were thinking differently

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they don't do that anymore dude why why

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is that why is science so clamped down I

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of those phases in the past too and it's

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not new in some ways it's actually a

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little bit better like 10 20 years ago

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uh even even where I'm at because I need

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a way of saying more about these things

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than most people who are in Academia can

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but even as I you couldn't have talked

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about you know the possibility of the

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New York Navy UFOs were real I mean you

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know I'm a hyper skeptic but I was I

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always hated that you can't talk about

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this because you know it's not that it

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was any particularly strange bit of

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skepticism we just get laughed off the

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um and not it was kind of tense lateral

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people who didn't want to do to impale

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their tenure

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um there was a lot of that though and

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it's sad and I know a lot of folks in

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the field who feel the same way it comes

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up a lot they they're allowed to publish

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a little bit more fun stuff than they

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used to but it used to have to be at the

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publish things like that as speculative

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humor almost if you want to do a serious

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paper on it and that was unfortunate

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because while you do need to have

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standards you need to have some way of

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separating the you know the hard line

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stuff that's very experimented from the

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stuff that's a little bit more off on

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the side you know

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um you need to do it with a pop or clear

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head that says all go here is not to put

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our nose up in the air or to deny

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anything that could be possibly true you

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know it's unlikely our goal is to find

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the truth and you rarely get that by

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refusing to look at something seriously

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phase of that in in between the last

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century with Einstein he was not the

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radical thinker that was out of the box

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that people think I mean man's a genius

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but people say oh Einstein he he was

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came out of left field and everyone

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mocked his theories no no they didn't he

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was the people of one like those famous

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scientists that era everybody figure is

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going to be a big scientist one point

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and he was walking in the patent office

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because that was a respectable job for a

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young scientist waiting for a

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professorship uh but they had a lot of

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people who were going for some of the

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most bizarre hockey theories on the one

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hand you know like your phenology type

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style stuff of the era well on the other

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hand would never even look at some of

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the new Concepts that were coming up and

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we can laugh at that on the one hand say

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ah this stuff was science until we

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disproved it or vice versa I was crazy

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until someone sowed otherwise uh but you

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do have phases where science gets kind

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of clamped up with other ones where it's

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maybe a blue or too loose on it it does

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go on epicycles and it probably depends

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on a few or two I would love to say that

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physics is not as infected with those

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other fields and I do think that's true

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but it's still you know especially with

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folks who will come you got something

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who's established didn't really need to

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go out of the box too much yes I was new

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and looking to continue they're afraid

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they got the new thoughts but they're

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afraid to go out of the box because they

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don't want to get to the next job and

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say well I'd love to be a professor here

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looking at Aerospace and technology for

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you and you know have you looked at my

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resume yeah we did what was that about

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aliens landing and how much it would

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take to land a saso oh yeah we saw your

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Facebook

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and and and you write though about about

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Einstein

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um there is the way that it's it's it's

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almost it's almost like you have a few

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different terms here you have Legend and

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legendary Right and you've apologize in

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a bit right right and with Einstein his

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free Thinking Out of the Box think

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that's legendary right that's

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mythological he there were groups he

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would go to these you know those

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physicists especially back then

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supported each other they'd hang out and

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smoke cigarettes and and drink Scotch

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all night and and contemplate things and

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that's what they I wish they would do

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more of that today but Einstein would

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not so bad that's a little bit too far

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you know and so yeah the the the

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Einstein free thinker that that's a

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legendary uh that's mythological you

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know that's and he was brilliant he did

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so I mean if I had to you know we were

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looking for the top scientists ever and

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we say Newton and Einstein they deserve

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that status there's a handful of people

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I could name who probably deserve to be

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on there and probably dozens of others

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who were amazing but never really caught

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that public eye historically but at the

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same time you know they they want

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singular but they are about as close you

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could get to it they were that extra Cut

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Above at the same time they weren't that

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huge of A Cut Above you know folks like

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hockey brilliant man but no smaller than

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Penrose you know his colleague from the

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time uh which is more memorable you know

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in some ways the best of the few of the

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year but there'll probably be another

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100 who releases equal I could probably

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name off we really want to get to it oh

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you know what can I can can I run okay

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I'm gonna run some names by you

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um my my a list of of free thinking

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physicists and I think at the top of

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that list

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John Wheeler yep yeah

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and black holes and what was all part of

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his area yeah and he I think that other

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physicists especially today right

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they'll they'll look back and go and

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John Wheeler was crazy that guy thought

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outside of the box John Wheeler taught

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me how to think differently and he's got

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that respect but he's not a name that we

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would put up there with with so many

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others very quickly John Wheeler is the

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physicist physicist but he was he wasn't

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a rock star was he no no I mean probably

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more than most is the fact that he is a

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he's a household name amongst physicists

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at least you know most of us would know

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him uh but even then you know that so

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he's he's popular but he's you know not

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not one of those ones everybody got

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legendary uh Freeman Dyson is probably

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most the only know because of the Dyson

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Sphere and you know that he was a

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popular tournament until fairly recent

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videos either uh here's another

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brilliant one Richard Feynman you know

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was he was one of those household names

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but I can name it like tiplo Hoyle they

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probably would have been more famous if

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they hadn't been uh on the more

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controversial side of some things like

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Evie Loeb famous guy but mostly for

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controversial stuff he says but he's

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brilliant as like to my folks just

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because you have a crazy idea in physics

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it might be a little bit nuts doesn't

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mean you're a bad physicist that just

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means you're normal for physicist okay

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we're in the field it's nuts every

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single one yeah tipler tippler is

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another one like wheeler

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um I think you know he's tippler's at

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the tippy top in in my world

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um uh uh Kip Thorne to me uh and we're

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going to spend a lot of time talking

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about Kip tonight of course too as well

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well and you can't talk about Kip and

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and wormholes without talking about

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tippler as well

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um and it sounds like I I really know

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what's going on but I'm just fascinated

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with these guys and and I try to read

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all of their material I've gone back and

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listened to feynman's lectures over the

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years and there and and and and watch

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there you can see some of them are on

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film that were that were shot and and a

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guy like Feynman who again outside of

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the box man very controversial

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um at the time and and still to this day

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but Feynman had a way of making uh every

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man or every woman you know and every

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person somebody like myself kind of get

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a grip on physics where I could sit back

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and go you know what dang I think I got

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it right I don't know

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I'm gonna get unpopular just because

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they get popular though at least it's

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called the Sagan effect I think that's

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actually a name for it is when a person

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gets so popular amongst the laymen for

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the field that his own fellow is still

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kind of poking at him because uh well

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you know he's not really as brilliant as

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all that and of course Sagan and fine

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especially was brilliant but Sagan was

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very very good at the very least

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um and the same for some means guys you

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know like

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you you have folks who are very good

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explain things of course that's kind of

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my [\h__\h] too so it's more important to me

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but if you can explain something to

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people it has a value because the very

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least you're creating new scientists and

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Feynman actually did some of the most

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fundamental War for quantum mechanics

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out there uh the band was brilliant in a

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resource sense too but he

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he could just get you to love the field

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he can get you above the field you know

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you know what I did with Feynman one day

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I'm not making this up man you'll get

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this

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um is I'm watching one of his lectures

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and he's drawing he's literally I'm not

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I'm not making this up it's like uh a

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circle a square and a triangle you know

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that's what he's like drawn right okay

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so now let's talk about the speed of

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light and I'm looking at this and he's

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explaining and he's got this real simple

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illustration it's like a stick figure

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it's like he's playing hangman you know

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this real fundamental drawing up up

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there and and I'm looking at that and

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he's explaining through and I'm and I

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said to myself

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he's faking it

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that that's he's getting me I'm

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believing what he is but that's that's

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how he would connect with his students

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you know he would break it down to these

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very simple ideas instead of you know a

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wall of equations right he had a way of

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of explaining this and I'm serious I

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thought that

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it's an act it's a smoke screen I think

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with the wall equation and you see

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enough in class going underground two in

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the field too you could be just going

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through it but usually it's one problem

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you're walking through for practice but

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you know the concepts themselves are you

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trying to explain the wall of equations

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anyone who's not a mathematician or

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physicists what's the point well you

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know you are you trying to prove them

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you really small because you say all

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sorts of all Queen equations or you can

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turn that big brain on to actually find

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some way to say it to people in a way

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they'll understand and I think that

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Feynman never Feynman probably had an

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ego like any number of other people but

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he never ever put his nose up in the air

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you feel like he could have gone and

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gotten a beer with a guy yeah 100 100 he

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he could be welcome in my house anytime

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he's a very cool dude very funny he was

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a funny guy too oh yeah people say he's

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like oh I bet you really love asthma for

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your authors he calls like well yeah I

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do and I'm named after him and it's just

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that uh you're full of asthma everybody

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say so whose huge role models like well

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Ben Franklin and Richard Feynman those

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are my two big ones I try to emulate

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yeah know followed very shortly

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afterwards

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and Richard Feynman uh it's just uh you

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know and he Dr he dressed right you know

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the the black tie and the the you know

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always wore suit style yeah yeah style

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yeah I liked him a lot

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um so let's talk about wormholes for a

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second and before we jump

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um wormholes today uh are definitely

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it's a it's a trending term

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um it is exploited throughout theater

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and and science fiction books now

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um it seems to be everywhere last week

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we'll go through that too as well uh

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what happened up at Lawrence Livermore

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uh which is uh crazy in of itself

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um but let's go let's let's go back to

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the beginning because when we talk about

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uh Einstein's field equations and uh the

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the fact that the Einstein Rosen bridge

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that was sort of later coined that it

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was it was demonstrated in in the math

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and in the equations but this wasn't

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necessarily something Einstein didn't

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call it a wormhole right no I think

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actually I think it might have been

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wheeler who came up with that Tom John

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Wheeler much much later but but uh other

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physicists yeah yeah uh other physicists

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went and looked at the field equations

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and extrapolated uh the Wormhole

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Einstein bridge out of it correct

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basically yeah and and you know again

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that the the field equation itself

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though that's actually more Emily

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noethilis woke but uh so you know that

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that's that is always a horrible and try

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to explain because you can do special

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relativity people but General relatively

545
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:30,179
in that field equation is really you got

546
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:31,620
to have that linear algebra background

547
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:33,900
intense as to really not a stare at not

548
00:22:37,930 --> 00:22:35,880
get confused but it comes down to

549
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:37,940
basically

550
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,740
you have a certain famous valve you know

551
00:22:44,330 --> 00:22:42,960
you get the equation it sort of gives

552
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:44,340
you the warm holes out of it yes they

553
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,900
found certain places but you have the

554
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:47,220
singularities there the place where you

555
00:22:51,049 --> 00:22:49,320
had the weird zeros in there and that's

556
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:51,059
essentially where you start seeing not

557
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,380
that these will prove in any way to be

558
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,080
true but that in the math they can

559
00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:57,539
happen and that is one of those places I

560
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,400
tend to differ with some of the other

561
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,799
folks on this is I don't believe that

562
00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:04,559
math equals reality so I'm a little bit

563
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,360
more skeptical on their existence seems

564
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,460
I think with negative matter

565
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:10,320
um and I mean I'm not alone in that

566
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,179
Viewpoint we all respect Kip Thor and

567
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,760
seeing as we all respect um alcubier but

568
00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:16,140
it's even though kind of schedule a lot

569
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,340
of times when these things can be real

570
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,799
but there's so many different aspects of

571
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:22,320
the Wormhole can represent if true and

572
00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:23,460
what's messed up is you could actually

573
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:25,460
have some versions of that or true

574
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,480
contradictory to other ones that have

575
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,340
completely different effects such as

576
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,720
ones that open up into different

577
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,120
universes or ones that were only one way

578
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:35,280
ones that were two-way ones that went

579
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:38,039
back in time and there's so many options

580
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,780
that go there and consequences of it

581
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:41,760
that even if they turn out to have to be

582
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:43,080
true they're so fascinating as they as

583
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,240
an actual mathematical and theoretical

584
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:46,640
exercise

585
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,799
so let's touch let's touch on on some of

586
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:51,840
these different versions because and

587
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:54,419
again jump in at any time and correct me

588
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,200
okay uh I'm asking the questions but the

589
00:24:03,649 --> 00:24:00,600
questions may be asking correctly and so

590
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:03,659
you can you can fix the question but

591
00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:04,919
um if I'm understanding everything

592
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:07,740
correctly uh in the field equations work

593
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,740
uh that everything was extrapolated out

594
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:13,679
of it yes it was the Einstein Rosen

595
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:16,280
bridge but that was a one-way street

596
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,980
right that was a single direction that

597
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,600
wasn't transversible

598
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:23,820
right well it did again the awesome

599
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:25,500
alternative options on that people come

600
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:27,480
but since then but the usual notion was

601
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,220
if you get through there you wouldn't be

602
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,480
able to transmit matter through it at

603
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,640
all it'd probably be destructive process

604
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:34,500
and you could send mantle through it

605
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:36,179
probably collapse on the way through so

606
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,380
you send something through and then you

607
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:39,179
can't convince out backwards because you

608
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,220
don't know if they survived or not and

609
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:43,860
that was generally held to be the idea

610
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,539
for it regardless of whether they are

611
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:47,580
intra Universal ones or they pop back

612
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,039
out in this universe somewhere else

613
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:52,020
that you know once you open one up bam

614
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:53,340
close as soon as anything through

615
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,799
possibly you know you could get more

616
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,120
than one through though they've been

617
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:58,799
revision set maybe you could keep it

618
00:25:02,090 --> 00:25:00,780
open for the wild four decade maybe it

619
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,100
doesn't just pop shut the first time you

620
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:06,000
said right exactly and so

621
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:07,980
um the Einstein Rose and Bridge we'll

622
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:10,020
stay with that because of its timeline

623
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:11,520
right we're starting at the the

624
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,940
beginning so let's just uh stay right

625
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,559
there for a second

626
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:19,760
um Einstein had a way

627
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:24,179
of uh creating math

628
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:28,620
from stuff that he hadn't seen okay he

629
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:31,220
did this a lot obviously yeah

630
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:34,620
gravity waves and and bending of space

631
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:36,779
time and all of that he he couldn't see

632
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,159
any of that he but he certainly uh did

633
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,679
the work of of creating the math which

634
00:25:49,870 --> 00:25:45,360
is the case with the Einstein Rosen

635
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:49,880
Bridge did he consider this a natural

636
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,340
phenomena that was created with the

637
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:54,480
universe

638
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,760
I don't think he viewed it that way I

639
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:58,140
mean us yes but he probably you know

640
00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:00,539
it's a theoretical thing anyway but uh I

641
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,500
don't think he expected them to really

642
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,600
pop up in nature much I feel bad by the

643
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,799
way if I didn't say because there's two

644
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,840
names on there Einstein and Rosen uh

645
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:08,640
rosen's grandson was my chemistry

646
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,789
is that right yeah long story on the

647
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:15,419
background there but and he did work

648
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,460
with so many Fascinating People too

649
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,799
um you know yeah

650
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,360
there's so many other people in you know

651
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,400
involved with him who have their own

652
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:25,140
incredibly fascinating Tales we see that

653
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,460
more at the Manhattan Project because

654
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,200
they were so stop stop stop stop stop

655
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:31,200
stop stop stop I gotta put that in there

656
00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:35,159
you just did it again okay so you had

657
00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:38,279
Rosen right so I'm working with this guy

658
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:40,279
his last name

659
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,220
Oppenheimer oh

660
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,600
yeah this is this is in the music

661
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,580
industry now well you said Manhattan

662
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,919
Project so that I had to put this so one

663
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:53,039
day I was like uh so uh I just gotta ask

664
00:26:59,890 --> 00:26:56,700
you uh this this this right

665
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,900
uh to my grandfather it looks like dang

666
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,640
yeah it's weird right Six Degrees of

667
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:05,340
Separation sometimes it's like two it

668
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,500
can be surprising I mean it I did not

669
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,059
even know till I was an adult that I had

670
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:11,100
a an uncle and his his twin brother who

671
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:12,240
were like famous linguists and

672
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:15,059
archaeologists and I ironically read one

673
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:16,380
of their walks before because I was in

674
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,539
the area that I found fascinating so but

675
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,820
uh yeah it's really a small world out

676
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:22,620
there at times

677
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,279
so uh going back to this uh whether

678
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,580
these were creations of the universe

679
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:31,760
right of nature

680
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:35,460
or do you feel that Einstein was saying

681
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,460
that this was a possibility of something

682
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,279
that we could create are you saying that

683
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,159
that's the way he approached it I I

684
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,600
think he would have thought that it's

685
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,220
it's I'm sure he would have thought of

686
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,080
that he was pretty comprehensive and

687
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:51,240
people you know this is It's kind of

688
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,860
being the Fermi Paradox things after

689
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:54,299
years and years of talking about having

690
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:56,039
people talk to me about it almost

691
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:57,240
everything you could imagine that

692
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,380
someone's caught up with has been you

693
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,600
know sent his way I'm sure every one of

694
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:01,919
his colleagues students would have said

695
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:03,900
hey Albert I was thinking the other day

696
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,000
about your Einstein rosenbridge

697
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,620
what if I did X so I'm I'm sure he must

698
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:12,000
have thought that as an option yeah I'd

699
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:13,500
be surprised we had somebody bring it up

700
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:15,419
the way at least and when we we still

701
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,620
consider an option we say how would we

702
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,179
build these things and

703
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,460
and that's that gets even trickier but

704
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,200
might be possible this sort of a lot of

705
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:24,480
potentially building them in the 90s I

706
00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:26,100
think made some made some headways to

707
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:27,140
make the idea a little bit more

708
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:29,340
plausible again and of course sort of

709
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,059
kept on now what did you uh think of you

710
00:28:37,630 --> 00:28:36,659
know in 1928 when Hermann Weil uh you

711
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:37,640
know German

712
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:40,200
he's you know it's kind of weird he was

713
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:43,140
a hybrid he was a a philosopher

714
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:46,440
theoretical physicist which which is an

715
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,400
oxymoron today right it is sadly less

716
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,559
common than I I'd like to see I tend to

717
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,020
tell it that way myself so well you are

718
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:57,960
definitely you're a philosophical and

719
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,900
you're almost theological at times well

720
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:02,640
I was thinking of a typical again

721
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:04,020
because we have an episode coming upon

722
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,580
his favorite one which was a deal make a

723
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,720
point but

724
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,640
um it's not that I feel that every

725
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,260
scientist needs to have a background of

726
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:12,120
philosophy and it's not I think the

727
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,559
philosophy is really all that great of a

728
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,120
fear to go studying as a major these

729
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,799
days it's more that I feel like you

730
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:19,140
really need to have that rooted

731
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,020
background in classic philosophy if you

732
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,640
really want to be discussing much beyond

733
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:25,740
the technical aspects of Science and I

734
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:27,179
see that with a lot of my colleagues

735
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,980
where it's just like well you've now

736
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,480
brought up a philosophical point that

737
00:29:35,649 --> 00:29:33,000
was you know Lane and slain you know

738
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:35,659
decades ago or centuries ago

739
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,220
let's be straight I did a show on this

740
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:41,399
last night strangely enough uh where I

741
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,260
discussed this uh in depth that we we

742
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:48,720
you just said it you've got Newton and

743
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,020
Einstein right the the two dudes Newton

744
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,240
I am convinced

745
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:57,240
that he would not have put things

746
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:00,179
together the way that he did and that

747
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:04,559
includes principia right that includes a

748
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,059
calculus that include you know

749
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:08,100
everything that he Advanced and you know

750
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,059
an astronomy or if he didn't have his

751
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,059
theological background his religious

752
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:18,360
studies his Bible studies and his

753
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:22,799
hermeticism and his Alchemy and his

754
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,580
philosophy and the Enlightenment and

755
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,159
everything else the physics and that

756
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:31,919
side and the gravity we're a byproduct

757
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,440
of of everything that he was and it

758
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,880
allowed him to look in a certain

759
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,980
direction he wouldn't have called

760
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,020
himself a physical I mean the the uh the

761
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:42,360
chair that that Newton held assigned

762
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:43,980
Newton um well they didn't get it after

763
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,380
him the the chair that Hocking held was

764
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:49,080
the Isaac Newton chill of mathematics

765
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:50,520
um at that time they were called a

766
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,960
natural philosophy and pretty much been

767
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:53,640
all science but it would have been

768
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,740
absurd to have gone to college back then

769
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:58,440
and say that you had a video style you

770
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,520
know that would have been considered far

771
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,080
more important than if he got looked at

772
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:03,299
some ugly rocks what I you know the

773
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:04,380
difference being there was so important

774
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:05,700
to actually start getting that Hands-On

775
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,760
practical experimental data and I think

776
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:10,679
that's in some ways what can sign the

777
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,740
classical era to stagnation was they

778
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,059
were unwilling to go beyond the

779
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,980
philosophical logic bids and sucking

780
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,600
their hands dirty and you know

781
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,159
experimenting you know finding out what

782
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:22,440
happened if we did do the soil

783
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,700
differently if we actually got our hands

784
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,440
dirty and then ran some experiments and

785
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,840
some tests but at the same time I could

786
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:29,100
almost make the argument the other way

787
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,500
these days is uh especially the

788
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,299
theorists who are often very divorced

789
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,580
from experimentalism anyway

790
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,500
um in some of their work there is a

791
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,720
tendency to have abandoned philosophy as

792
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:41,880
saying this is like a competitor failed

793
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,580
field of physics and it's it's maybe

794
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,799
it's too spiritual or pseudo you know

795
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,299
pseudoscientific I said well that's

796
00:31:51,889 --> 00:31:50,640
that's not it at all you know you have

797
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,899
to actually be willing to study these

798
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,880
fiances on the green yes you must focus

799
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,159
on your specialty but you must not focus

800
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,679
on your specialty and then foolishly say

801
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,960
that it eliminates the other field be

802
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,580
like saying that chemistry has no value

803
00:32:05,889 --> 00:32:04,200
because it's a subfural physics right

804
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:05,899
right

805
00:32:13,149 --> 00:32:08,460
I'm going to be a specialist and I'm

806
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,159
going to ignore everything else right

807
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:15,539
there's a there's a world out there

808
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,899
there's a reality out there and and you

809
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,120
have to learn it and when we here's

810
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:23,340
here's the other strange thing uh no

811
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,020
we'll get back to wormholes in just a

812
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:27,360
second but you just mentioned Socrates

813
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:30,860
right or maybe it was Aristotle

814
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,260
and uh yeah one of the two very nearly

815
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,299
same things

816
00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:38,820
but both of them

817
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:42,200
said the same thing that

818
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:45,960
philosophy didn't start with them or the

819
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,919
Greeks that it all came from Egypt and

820
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,440
and then so when you follow the chain

821
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:54,360
and the names that they have dropped

822
00:32:59,289 --> 00:32:57,899
over the years uh back then but uh have

823
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,299
been documented

824
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:02,720
it's 1500 years old

825
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:06,779
1500 years prior to when Socrates uh

826
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,740
visited Egypt in 300 BC civilization was

827
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:12,960
already ancient when when Athens was the

828
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,159
big place right right and and and to

829
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,440
stay with that with that idea going

830
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:21,840
through to today

831
00:33:26,409 --> 00:33:24,360
um Isaac Newton you know it's three 300

832
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:26,419
years ago now I think he died in like

833
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:29,100
1720 or something like that and we're in

834
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:30,600
2000 so he was alive sometime in the

835
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:39,889
whole period you know of 5 000 years of

836
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,600
that science and and development of the

837
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,519
world

838
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:46,260
all of those scientists and you can call

839
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,120
some of them physicists and astronomers

840
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,159
and mathematicians

841
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,100
um they were all philosophical they were

842
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:55,799
all philosophers and they all had

843
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:58,919
spiritual foundations it's a really

844
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,159
really strange thing and it it that it

845
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:04,919
just doesn't exist today it's it's just

846
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,460
this denial I mean I I try to you know

847
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:10,320
we're the shows because of mine is I try

848
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:11,820
to actually you know everyone's got

849
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:13,020
their personal beliefs and that's how

850
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,280
they should tend to stay when you're

851
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:16,080
trying to talk science but there's a

852
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,700
difference between keeping your your

853
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:19,679
your personal beliefs or your politics

854
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:22,020
out of Science and pretending as though

855
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:23,220
you should not have these things or

856
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,020
they're bad to have whether or not you

857
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,879
you whatever you have you don't have to

858
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,800
abandon to go to science if you're

859
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:30,240
religious you don't have to stop being

860
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,980
religious to be in size that's your

861
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:33,240
scientist you can go and have the you

862
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,339
know these things all sometimes

863
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:37,260
problematically together but they're not

864
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,480
in any way antithetical and it's a shame

865
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:41,280
that some folks do feel that way on the

866
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,899
flip side obviously you know you don't

867
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,919
have to have these things to have them

868
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,720
go to window they're not matched but we

869
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:46,980
start talking about whether or not you

870
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,839
know the core they are what Newton the

871
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:49,919
others are going they wanted to

872
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,780
understand

873
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:52,800
reality all around them and it wasn't

874
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:54,659
just how does this rock fall down a hill

875
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,520
that's not really why it even goes into

876
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,320
physics you look up the giant starry

877
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,240
night or you see that big picture of

878
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:01,800
like the Deep field study you know you

879
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,720
say why is this why is this why why does

880
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,700
you know all of this Wolf the way it

881
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:10,440
does what came before this what happened

882
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:12,060
so I cut something in half over and over

883
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:14,040
again all those questions that we have

884
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,920
when we're kids going up in game wise on

885
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:18,480
Theory which we'll see if I was stopping

886
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,980
asking those questions that's why people

887
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,060
go into this stuff they want to

888
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:23,520
understand how things work and you know

889
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,839
whether you know there are so many

890
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,920
options

891
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,200
for how that might be the case they

892
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,760
don't you know the philosophy of whether

893
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,960
it's a philosophy you're going for what

894
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:32,820
theology to take a pick but to ignore

895
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:34,500
that side

896
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,079
to to just go ahead and say I'm going to

897
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:39,599
bypass that option because I it will

898
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,859
join my hands when I can't have them

899
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,900
with signs that's wrong you know you

900
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,520
don't have to go that way but you should

901
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,560
leave the door open you shouldn't feel

902
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,000
you have to

903
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,400
not explore philosophy or not explore

904
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,320
your spiritual side if you want to if

905
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,060
you want to go into science they are not

906
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:55,920
in order should you be afraid to look

907
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:57,240
into science because you have those

908
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:59,160
sides too I think the folks are afraid

909
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,540
it's going to challenge their their

910
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:02,400
beliefs if they go and learn science and

911
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:04,020
so they're not allowed to hold the

912
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,300
beliefs they previously had yeah and I

913
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,720
have like an existential

914
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,400
philosophical reason for thinking that

915
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,260
and and not for the reasons you're

916
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,020
correct I agree with you but I think uh

917
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,300
there's another part to this it's just

918
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:21,359
about freeing up your mind that's all

919
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,420
just don't limit yourself don't close it

920
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:26,480
down and don't deny and don't say no no

921
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:29,700
you want to be able to uh if you're

922
00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:32,460
dealing with physics to to allow your

923
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:34,940
mind to jump into another Direction

924
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:38,400
because of a possibility that's all just

925
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,119
get your mind your brain loosened up and

926
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,700
and you do that with you know having an

927
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,440
open mind and exploring other things

928
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:47,940
that's the only reason

929
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,540
uh for me to do it I don't know how they

930
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,640
built Stonehenge I tend to take the

931
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,900
Assumption there was normal humans

932
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:56,760
walking with ahead of time but if I just

933
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,260
rule out and say well there's no way it

934
00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:01,200
was more men from Atlantis I assume

935
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:02,040
that's probably not the case but

936
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:03,900
everybody said that's impossible and

937
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,460
then someone comes by and this sort of

938
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,260
thing does happen weirdo things you know

939
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,119
weirdo at the time they seem normal to

940
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,560
us now but they've seen weirdos to us

941
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:12,720
then so he shows up says we got this

942
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:14,280
dead Bob out of the back seat there and

943
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,540
he happened we carry along his

944
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:17,579
photograph and history book here that

945
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,660
actually shows them building it from

946
00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:20,400
thousands of years ago what should we do

947
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,470
I don't know if some of the weirdo

948
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:31,920
things people pose about how the world

949
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:34,320
walks ugly it turned out to be true I am

950
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:35,520
pretty certain that weirdo things will

951
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:37,020
turn out to have been true than that

952
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,579
where you're done though like which

953
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,380
direction that goes I don't know but if

954
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,780
I close off my mind to them you know

955
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,280
it's not so you open yourself to every

956
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:46,020
theory that comes by the mood is not

957
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:48,599
made of cheese right but you you have

958
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,079
time probably

959
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:53,579
could you do we know the upper layer is

960
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,140
not but we haven't really dug down that

961
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,900
deep you know if you close your mind off

962
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,220
on too much

963
00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:01,560
um you know that it has issues well we

964
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,300
use the hollow Moon fix for example

965
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,099
we've never probe the moon very deep so

966
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:07,440
it could be Hollow and I say well what's

967
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:09,000
you know what if it was Hollywood mess

968
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,380
up on the density test well they say

969
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:12,540
it's artificial Planet what's one of the

970
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,339
most common artificial Wars we talk

971
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:16,260
about building on my show is we call a

972
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,880
show world where you intentionally place

973
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:20,339
a hypodense object like a black hole in

974
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,720
the middle because it lets you make

975
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:23,400
whatever gravity you want on the surface

976
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,980
and so it's a hollow shell about a tiny

977
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,200
little thing and that is a very logical

978
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:29,280
if you've got the technology to make

979
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:31,560
black holes there's a very logical way

980
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:32,820
to do your ward building it makes more

981
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:35,520
sense than the normal kind so you can't

982
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,560
just close your head off because yes

983
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:39,420
something might be wrong and it probably

984
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:43,079
is but it might be right in ways you

985
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:44,940
weren't expecting you know and it might

986
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,920
turn out that you were wrong in ways you

987
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,420
can never have imagined you know and and

988
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,000
we know that we say that we say like a

989
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,579
mantra and yet we still we kind of have

990
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,619
to because we still do we still close

991
00:39:04,010 --> 00:38:58,800
our brain off you know the uh the the

992
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,020
amount of physicists uh where we um uh

993
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,599
start to compile some of the big brains

994
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,460
out there

995
00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:12,240
um there has always been a fascination

996
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,140
with wormholes for them and everybody

997
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,060
you know has their own ideas behind it

998
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:20,960
but then when we take what the Wormhole

999
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,060
can be and what it suggests

1000
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,180
we get all of the uh we get all of the

1001
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:30,359
gifts you know we get time travel we get

1002
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:34,619
to way travel uh uh uh faster than light

1003
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:37,020
right the all of these things it's it's

1004
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,700
the it's the gift box right it's it's a

1005
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,440
Pandora's Box too if it turns out to be

1006
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:45,119
true but yeah it's it's fullest I mean

1007
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,339
uh infinite panel I jump up one hole one

1008
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,200
mouth goes into the middle of a a star

1009
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,420
and the other one comes out you'll heal

1010
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,800
and that wouldn't actually be like a

1011
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,000
flamethrow

1012
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:55,200
um you know you stop just pulling power

1013
00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:56,700
out right there it's actually a fusion

1014
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,619
reactor you don't want to build one just

1015
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,240
follow the one from the Sun and do it

1016
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:02,280
directly you know that becomes your way

1017
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:04,200
of running your spaceships you throw one

1018
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:05,640
into the thing in the hole and the other

1019
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:06,839
end is in the back your spaceship it's

1020
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:07,859
just a rocker flame out the back

1021
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,960
definitely

1022
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,980
um there are so many things to do with

1023
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,720
one of those things yeah if they walk

1024
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,160
and depending on how they work too

1025
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:16,560
before we get to the break I want to

1026
00:40:21,069 --> 00:40:19,980
talk about uh I'm gonna jump ahead just

1027
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,079
a little bit

1028
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:24,079
the way that

1029
00:40:30,609 --> 00:40:27,900
Wormhole started to get uh visually

1030
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:30,619
developed out of the math

1031
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:32,700
it's a sphere

1032
00:40:38,829 --> 00:40:37,020
and before and the sphere is more of a

1033
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:38,839
protection

1034
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:42,180
we'll get into that I mean these are my

1035
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,020
my minds but the way that the math

1036
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,960
started to depict these

1037
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:51,839
um and physicists then have to explain

1038
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:55,200
to us visually what the math is right

1039
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,440
because we don't see what the math is we

1040
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:00,180
have to be told what the math is right

1041
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:04,680
okay so anyway but instead of like

1042
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,359
umbilical cords

1043
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:09,119
you know jumping around the universe

1044
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,079
uh some biological looking tube

1045
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:16,200
it's actually been represented as a

1046
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:17,339
sphere

1047
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,359
right and and is that is that how you

1048
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,460
picture it when we talk about wormholes

1049
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,920
I mean I I am old school I always

1050
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,240
picture these things even though it's

1051
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:30,300
not accurate as as that Big Grid with

1052
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:32,220
the tunnel coming down out of it the big

1053
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:34,200
tube that connects somewhere else and

1054
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:35,460
and that's accurate you and

1055
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,660
two-dimensional look at it you know if

1056
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,680
you're trying to do it mathematically

1057
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:40,079
that's fine but uh it is the big sphere

1058
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,180
it is a big sphere and if I knew how to

1059
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,460
describe what the equivalent of a a

1060
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,380
skinny Villa tunnel was in three

1061
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
dimensions I I would but I'm not even

1062
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:50,160
you know I don't know how to represent

1063
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:53,339
this pencil in my hand as a tunnel if I

1064
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,599
add an extra Dimension to it I don't

1065
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:55,920
know how to describe it would be

1066
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:58,680
spherical and uh so it is very hard to

1067
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,119
visualize and that's why I stick to the

1068
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,400
2D version but we know what the fun end

1069
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,599
would look like in the back end would

1070
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,400
look like it would be a very big sphere

1071
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,380
you know that's how it is it's not a

1072
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,880
portal like in Stargate your shipping

1073
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:11,040
through well I can DS9 or any of the

1074
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,599
favorites you know they the way they

1075
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,640
show the big portal it is much more like

1076
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:16,560
in the film Interstellar it's almost The

1077
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:18,060
only positive thing I can say about that

1078
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,859
film much of Christopher Nolan and Gip

1079
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,380
Thorne is the visuals were stunning and

1080
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,619
and accurate about the black hole well

1081
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,839
um the way that Nolan

1082
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:29,700
um Nolan's not a physicist everybody

1083
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,660
he's a director

1084
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:34,980
everybody has no missteps sometimes

1085
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,260
that's right he's done some really good

1086
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:40,560
stuff like Interstellar uh Interstellar

1087
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:44,280
uh yeah I love Inception the science

1088
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:45,780
behind Inception is horrible that's

1089
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:50,220
amazing movie it's fun to watch so when

1090
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,020
um when they set that up uh and the trip

1091
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:58,560
is being planned uh they go okay the

1092
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:00,780
entrance to the Wormhole is here right

1093
00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:03,660
and they point you know okay and so and

1094
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,119
now Matthew McConaughey he's off he's

1095
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:08,160
running right he's in his you know

1096
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:11,460
spaceship and he's cruising and and I

1097
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:14,819
was waiting to see

1098
00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:18,240
a tube right with an entrance uh on the

1099
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,579
front of it and yeah

1100
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:23,400
I went wow so they're going with Kip's

1101
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:26,940
uh original idea of it being his fear

1102
00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:28,500
and that's all it was sitting out in the

1103
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:29,660
middle of space

1104
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:33,359
it's it's just sitting there

1105
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:34,740
and then for you it's just gonna look

1106
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,060
like a big circle but it's a sphere just

1107
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,920
like a planet and that's the easy part

1108
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,720
to visualize the problem is we are

1109
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,400
showing the portal as a 2d portal it's

1110
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:43,200
the hole in the wall the tube makes so

1111
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:44,579
much sense the path you're going to but

1112
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,720
again you can't

1113
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,480
you know a one-dimensional line you know

1114
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,220
is is easy to represent a

1115
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,839
two-dimensional flateral space that's

1116
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:54,060
easy represent again how do you do a

1117
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,619
quarter in three dimensions that way

1118
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,900
that people can visualize uh you know

1119
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:59,040
other the fact that tunnel would be

1120
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:00,420
three-dimensional add another dimension

1121
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:03,240
of that and visualize that and I think

1122
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,980
that they did a pretty good job on that

1123
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,720
you know no complaints there but my

1124
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,119
complaints are usually about the some of

1125
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:11,099
the plot points in terms of living

1126
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,780
around the black hole and things like

1127
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:15,599
right right right right right yeah and

1128
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,119
Kip Thorne's book uh the science of

1129
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,700
interstellar he obviously spent you know

1130
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:23,040
half of the book is is wormholes and and

1131
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,079
he points out to post the movie Young

1132
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,420
you know not quite nil and perfectly

1133
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:29,700
it's not like he's it you you you're the

1134
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,980
scientific consultant to a movie that's

1135
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,960
trying to be approachable to humans who

1136
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:36,060
are not physicists to watch and to be

1137
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,380
honest if I don't think I'd have enjoyed

1138
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,119
watching a very physically accurate one

1139
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,800
either so right he did a great job

1140
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,240
yeah that would have been boring if it

1141
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:47,700
would have been Rick and Morty did the

1142
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:49,380
episode not that long back we're like oh

1143
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,700
this video game lets us turn up the

1144
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:53,160
realism so they dial up like nine or ten

1145
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,060
it's like here you're gonna be an

1146
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,000
asteroid might or you die of old age

1147
00:44:59,530 --> 00:44:58,680
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I saw that too

1148
00:45:02,809 --> 00:44:59,540
much

1149
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,819
Rick and Morty by the way the best

1150
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,680
television series in the history of

1151
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,560
mankind uh yeah no I mean it's it's very

1152
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:09,119
nihilistic at times which tends to be

1153
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,740
kind of antithetical to my world view

1154
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:13,020
but it's it is really good yeah okay

1155
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:14,819
it's so good man I think there was a

1156
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,960
joke one of the people had was like

1157
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:17,520
sometimes it seems like they must have a

1158
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:20,220
portal under your head and say yeah vice

1159
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,470
oh man so uh don't get me out in a Rick

1160
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:29,040
and Morty because we'll do the rest of

1161
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:30,420
the show on that

1162
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:35,400
um with um uh with this though

1163
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:37,980
um and the ideas that are are being put

1164
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:40,440
out there in into the public

1165
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:45,119
uh when we see the travel inside of a

1166
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:48,660
wormhole uh like uh going back to the

1167
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:51,900
movie contact right or they're

1168
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,500
um there is time invested inside of the

1169
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,839
Wormhole that is accurate too it does

1170
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,880
take time to travel people

1171
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,160
there's a traversing time and it's it's

1172
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,079
it is the instant when she down there

1173
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:06,119
but you could like the original notion

1174
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,319
on a lot of the wormholes so they had to

1175
00:46:12,589 --> 00:46:10,140
be big like the hundreds of Stellar

1176
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,599
masses big bigger than most stars big in

1177
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:14,640
terms of mass and it could take you

1178
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:17,339
months to fall down one and so now that

1179
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,839
could be done shorter or faster like

1180
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,880
many things it depends on two users can

1181
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,220
say but it wasn't walking in one side

1182
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:25,680
pop out the other and it's also not like

1183
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:27,000
in Stargate where you step in and

1184
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,740
there's a long motion you know cool

1185
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,540
little sequence for the film and then

1186
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:32,520
you step out same step you know you're

1187
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,980
traveling there is a travel time there

1188
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:37,260
and you're not in a frozen moment of

1189
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:39,480
like you know special effects there you

1190
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:41,660
know videos

1191
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:45,300
space hasn't been folded right that's

1192
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,680
not what uh no it's only been connected

1193
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,640
well I mean you can look at it either

1194
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,380
way there's still the time to fall down

1195
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,020
into it you know let's say you you've

1196
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,420
got to go into the Wormhole and go

1197
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:00,359
through it and there is I

1198
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:03,000
um there's because there was oh so many

1199
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:04,500
different versions of these including

1200
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:06,599
you know besides the rose and Eisen

1201
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,180
rosenbridge uh like uh in Event Horizon

1202
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,160
where they do the classic which

1203
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,980
is a sadly underappreciated terrible

1204
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,319
film but Event Horizon they show I can't

1205
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:18,359
know the actor's name right now uh he's

1206
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:20,099
in so many things he's he's the

1207
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,900
scientist though Dr Whale he shows him

1208
00:47:25,569 --> 00:47:23,579
for a piece of paper and stabs a pencil

1209
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:25,579
to it and it's closer

1210
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,670
but anyway the the fellow fun there who

1211
00:47:43,550 --> 00:47:42,119
isn't so many things that does so many

1212
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,560
good rules

1213
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:45,119
um he uh you know he's showing that

1214
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,500
that's the bullying situation where you

1215
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:47,520
thought you'd be some you know piece of

1216
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:49,140
paper together and then poke a hole

1217
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:50,400
through it and that's to connect to your

1218
00:47:58,210 --> 00:47:56,460
mask damn Neil Sam Neal Samuel yeah okay

1219
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,220
um and

1220
00:48:01,370 --> 00:48:00,480
now I'm confusing him with cheer meows

1221
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:01,380
because I picture him and so there's

1222
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,520
some other rules there but it doesn't

1223
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,680
matter no he was in Jurassic Park man

1224
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,260
Sam Neal yeah yeah

1225
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,660
um great actor uh great demonstration

1226
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,800
there but the other one is we say well

1227
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,300
we're gonna put these things I'm gonna

1228
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,400
take a balloon and I'm you know a little

1229
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,839
too software I'm gonna poke it in two

1230
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,520
different places and reach for the

1231
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,380
middle of each connected to that's more

1232
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,819
of your tunnel that you'll be traversing

1233
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:22,440
version and if you're doing three

1234
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:23,640
dimensions let's say that's more

1235
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,119
accurate I'm taking this big balloon and

1236
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,920
I'm puking my fingers together on two

1237
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:30,180
two sides but they don't have to be

1238
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,980
opposite until they connect somewhere

1239
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,380
and there's a tunnel there and that's

1240
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,300
more of your traversal distance thing

1241
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:39,000
only that don't think of this being like

1242
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,500
the radius of the distance between the

1243
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:41,520
things or anything like that it's going

1244
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:43,319
to be much shorter than that but it is a

1245
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:45,060
traversable distance you're following

1246
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:47,460
and you can have things in there that

1247
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,339
would be unexpected like um the usual

1248
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:53,040
notion is wow I can make me uh you know

1249
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:54,420
perpetual motion machine because I'm

1250
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:56,040
going to open up two gateways right the

1251
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,099
Gateway above that falls down and it was

1252
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,740
back to the top so portal a drops goes

1253
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,599
back up the top again keeps dropping and

1254
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,920
I put some ball in there it keeps

1255
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:06,599
falling down maybe I put a water wheel

1256
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:07,980
on there on this wallet keeps falling

1257
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:09,540
down to the portal starts back at the

1258
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:10,920
top grab it pulls out more and keeps

1259
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:12,839
going down there that's not how that's

1260
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:13,980
going to work one thing of course

1261
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:15,960
gravity is not an infinite power source

1262
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:18,119
but it will actually lose speeds it goes

1263
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,740
back up if I drop a ball to that portal

1264
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:21,240
and it goes back up to the one hole up

1265
00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:30,410
this is one of the most important let's

1266
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:32,099
let's go with fundamental

1267
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,599
uh points with wormholes E.T

1268
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,940
uh you know some Advanced civilization

1269
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,520
uh out there that has figured out

1270
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,859
wormholes like we we have now figured

1271
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,260
them out right but they are taking

1272
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:48,780
advantage of them so

1273
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:49,700
ET

1274
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:53,280
uses a wormhole to get to our star

1275
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:54,680
system

1276
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,980
when they exit the wormhole

1277
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:02,160
what speed are they traveling good

1278
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:03,000
question

1279
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:03,780
um

1280
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,079
you know do you shoot out at faster than

1281
00:50:12,010 --> 00:50:09,060
the speed of light and go past the sun

1282
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,020
in eight seconds or

1283
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,460
no you won't but here's the thing on

1284
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,319
there like if you're coming out with a

1285
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,660
speed between your two points every

1286
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,040
billion light years you get away from

1287
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,599
Earth you add seven percent of light

1288
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,280
speed to your velocity and that does let

1289
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:25,020
you go super luminal right that's one of

1290
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:26,460
the few ways around we all say nothing

1291
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:27,720
in the universe can go faster on speed

1292
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:29,819
of light and they have to minimally say

1293
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,900
well most the universe is actually

1294
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,520
moving away from us at faster the speed

1295
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,500
of light but it's because the universe

1296
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,880
is expanding its size very quickly

1297
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,859
nothing's actually moving that quick you

1298
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,420
don't get to carry that velocity with

1299
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,280
you presumably they always have the

1300
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,200
caveats on that so if you went to a

1301
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:45,000
wormhole going say half speed of light

1302
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,119
locally you have to adjust you know are

1303
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,920
you adjusting to add the difference in

1304
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,300
velocity which you get two points there

1305
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,400
if I open up a wormhole from the surface

1306
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:55,440
of Earth to the surface of Mars and I'm

1307
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:56,760
going to be cured by being hit by a

1308
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:58,140
cliff because I forgot to change my

1309
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:00,839
rotational velocity right it spins right

1310
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,559
orbits and I'm all the way back to Isaac

1311
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,059
asthma at least they will play with that

1312
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:07,980
in sci-fi what would happen you know in

1313
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:10,260
terms of do I go back in time and and

1314
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:12,300
end up inside of a cliff or realized I'm

1315
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,099
halfway across the Galaxy from where

1316
00:51:18,890 --> 00:51:16,319
Earth is and I'm in the vacuum of empty

1317
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:18,900
Galactic space because oh it's not there

1318
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,760
anymore you know what is that fixed

1319
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:23,220
location and the symbol answers we have

1320
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,300
no idea

1321
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,680
you know we you know until you actually

1322
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,640
get one of these and this is the

1323
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:28,440
experimental thing we can do so much

1324
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:30,780
checking on math but unless we actually

1325
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:32,940
can build one and check it we wouldn't

1326
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:34,500
really know the answer that question and

1327
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,180
not like let's conform this we don't

1328
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,099
have the data and I don't think that any

1329
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,380
real theory on this could until we

1330
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,839
actually had something to look at

1331
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:45,180
um so we could say I don't expect that

1332
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:46,440
you would go to the top of all these

1333
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,940
things you'd lose your you'd lose your

1334
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,859
momentum along the way we should assume

1335
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:52,020
whatever your velocity is here yes that

1336
00:51:55,309 --> 00:51:53,220
would translate to where you're going

1337
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:55,319
which make it quite a weapon but did but

1338
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:56,400
you still presumably have to take into

1339
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:58,680
account something like expansion and

1340
00:52:02,210 --> 00:51:59,700
then whether or not you pick up speed

1341
00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:02,220
from jumping across galaxies and you've

1342
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,960
got that expanding humble expansion do

1343
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,339
you pick it up or does it get to get out

1344
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,960
same as the ball falling down and then

1345
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:08,940
losing speed on the way back up we don't

1346
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:09,660
know

1347
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:13,760
and but aren't you protected with uh an

1348
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:16,740
electromagnetic shell from the rest of

1349
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,540
space

1350
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:22,849
this because in the past aspect of how

1351
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,319
you actually build a wall which is part

1352
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:28,200
of the theory behind wormholes is the

1353
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:30,020
negative energy you know building this

1354
00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:33,300
electromagnetic uh shell

1355
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:35,960
um and so I think you would be

1356
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:38,700
uh non-effective but then then again

1357
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:41,819
this is like the most non-trivial part

1358
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:43,500
of all of this

1359
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,119
um to uh to wonder about because when

1360
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:50,579
Matthew McConaughey when he enters I

1361
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,059
hate to compare Hollywood but but Kip

1362
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:56,880
Thorne addressed all of these issues in

1363
00:53:02,089 --> 00:52:58,500
the movie he wanted it to be as

1364
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:02,099
realistic as possible so when uh

1365
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:03,900
McConaughey enters the Wormhole when he

1366
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:05,579
comes out of it he's not pumping the

1367
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,599
brakes

1368
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,119
right it's not like he shot out of that

1369
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:12,240
thing super luminal or half the speed of

1370
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,760
light right and had to slow down he was

1371
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,400
already there and parked in space

1372
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:19,440
the generally speaking I mean it depends

1373
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,760
on how you're building the black hole I

1374
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:23,160
mean the world course but the usual

1375
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:24,839
loose notion is it's a modified black

1376
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:27,420
hole and it's a very massive one as

1377
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,800
you're falling into a black hole you

1378
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:30,300
pick up a lot of speed you are

1379
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,740
essentially going to be accelerating to

1380
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,260
within you know kissing distance of of

1381
00:53:38,329 --> 00:53:36,599
the speed of light but on the other end

1382
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,339
you're falling out of a black hole

1383
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,500
essentially so you're going to lose a

1384
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:43,140
lot of specio up a wormhole should add

1385
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:44,579
your speed as you're going down that

1386
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:46,140
makes sense to transverse it very quick

1387
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,460
in many ways and then you're going to

1388
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:49,319
lose on the way back up so you shouldn't

1389
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:50,819
really come out with anything different

1390
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:54,540
in velocity in that respect but then you

1391
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,859
start trying to figure out how you know

1392
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,599
what direction is my velocity as I'm

1393
00:54:03,069 --> 00:53:59,280
going in how does that pop out you're

1394
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:03,079
coming out with something velocity wise

1395
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:06,780
okay okay okay very good we're not I

1396
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:09,240
don't have to time the brake exactly but

1397
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:12,660
what if you went against the grain

1398
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:15,480
you went Upstream in the expansion of

1399
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:18,660
space and and or the opposite what if

1400
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:21,420
you were going Downstream in the

1401
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,300
expansion of space right now well yeah

1402
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,680
you could do that that's the you you

1403
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:28,079
have the normally the Wormhole you

1404
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:29,099
shouldn't be able to go back to before

1405
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,079
you made the one more time travel wise

1406
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:33,300
but you know there's ways to get around

1407
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:35,460
things like that too but uh you've got

1408
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:38,339
this Wormhole that's earlier in uh the

1409
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,720
Universe on one side than the other

1410
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,940
expense to a different rate then it's

1411
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:43,740
moving at different speed between two

1412
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,660
galaxies a different rate the woman who

1413
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,040
you open up an Android you know not

1414
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,980
saying let's uh well the other for some

1415
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,359
further away Galaxy a billion light

1416
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,740
years away

1417
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,480
um you're moving Samsung Light Speed the

1418
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:56,640
time is moving slower on that into that

1419
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,160
of that one poor now if you come out

1420
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,260
that thing is it early on time that's

1421
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,640
what we're assuming but then the

1422
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:05,280
question is is the Celestia coming out

1423
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:07,800
slower now for you whose expansion of

1424
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:09,480
speed are you using right right right

1425
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:10,760
right right

1426
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:12,599
that's what I'm saying if you're going

1427
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:15,240
upstream or Downstream depending on your

1428
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:18,780
direction in space right I mean there

1429
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:19,980
are a lot of theories about how this

1430
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,540
should be you know a lot of people have

1431
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:23,520
gone through amazingly good maths here

1432
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:24,780
I'm not going to debate the math amount

1433
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:27,000
in fact I don't understand it as well as

1434
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,980
most of those folks who are Specialists

1435
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,720
on this but at the same time that is

1436
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,220
what it is it's the math and it's not

1437
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:34,559
ion clad without the ability to really

1438
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,780
get one of these things and say

1439
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:39,300
so much of it is is a guess so I can't

1440
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:40,800
tell you that if you come out of these

1441
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,119
things you're going to be moving at

1442
00:55:45,710 --> 00:55:44,040
steps of of light speed now because

1443
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,720
that's the expansion that Galaxy is now

1444
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,940
or when the thing Force forms say a

1445
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,740
billion years ago maybe it's six percent

1446
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,839
I hope maybe it's exactly zero because

1447
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:54,420
you come out without that velocity and

1448
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,559
they're all

1449
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:57,240
um again we have a lot of good

1450
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,339
theoretical treatments they don't all

1451
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,240
agree

1452
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,640
um and they all fundamentally just

1453
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:05,040
theoretical so any almost any of the

1454
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:06,359
stories we've seen presented could be

1455
00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:07,559
true

1456
00:56:14,569 --> 00:56:11,300
okay so E.T again

1457
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:14,579
Wormhole our star system which would

1458
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:18,180
explain a lot too as well that one of

1459
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:19,619
the reasons why we don't see a whole lot

1460
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:22,140
of interstellar traffic

1461
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:23,940
um is because

1462
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,099
it's Wormhole travel and we wouldn't

1463
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:28,559
necessarily uh pick those up with radio

1464
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,380
telescopes or the Hubble or or if it

1465
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:33,780
takes 600 some solo masses to build one

1466
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,420
you probably don't want to be using more

1467
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:38,040
than maybe one for every few or a

1468
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:39,180
hundred thousand stars or you're

1469
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:40,440
devoting most of your Mast ability to

1470
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:43,260
one more unless unless it's not that

1471
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:46,140
difficult maybe it's easier like the

1472
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:47,880
Egyptians who built the pyramids right

1473
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:50,579
they did it because it was easy and no

1474
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,960
consequences like how does the Wormhole

1475
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:53,520
work but also how small can I make it

1476
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,260
like if I can make a wormhole so small

1477
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,359
then cheap then I can fit one in

1478
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,280
somebody's house then maybe I have my

1479
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:01,020
house built on 15 different planets and

1480
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,240
the doors are actually doorways but

1481
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:06,480
that's exactly okay so now let's go back

1482
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:10,200
so ET arrives here and now you just said

1483
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,059
Andromeda but it wasn't that far away

1484
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:14,160
right okay but let's say in prominence

1485
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,800
what 12 12 and a half two million light

1486
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,480
years or two million change yeah yeah

1487
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,460
two million light years and change okay

1488
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:22,140
so

1489
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,880
um you say 12 I say two it's called

1490
00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:25,280
close enough

1491
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,980
but uh the closest galaxy to us and they

1492
00:57:31,870 --> 00:57:30,720
arrive here

1493
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,880
um

1494
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,140
what happens

1495
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,660
to the time

1496
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:39,119
from their origin

1497
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:42,420
so in other words right I mean do they

1498
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:45,420
uh if if that indeed happens what

1499
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:47,220
happens to the origin time the point of

1500
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:48,720
origin and then you turn around and you

1501
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,720
go back home Through the Wormhole and

1502
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,000
you go back and you go okay Earth was

1503
00:58:01,150 --> 00:57:55,920
cool what are you talking about we just

1504
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:03,170
you know if you got when you start

1505
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,579
throwing in temporal paradoxes it might

1506
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:07,140
easily be that the only way you let the

1507
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:08,700
stuff get you the only way it could be

1508
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:09,720
used because some of these things like

1509
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:12,180
kind of forcibly end up with these kind

1510
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,220
of sulfur rates or self-correct is you

1511
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,319
could be in a situation where your Fast

1512
00:58:21,049 --> 00:58:18,480
Night travel always automatically erased

1513
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:21,059
it's its usage

1514
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:22,800
um and indeed Alistair Reynolds plays

1515
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:23,640
that when somebody's novels but

1516
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,140
basically every civilization that goes

1517
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:27,480
fast on light ends up basically erasing

1518
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,460
themselves

1519
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:31,800
so do you have to

1520
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:35,220
do you have to then consider

1521
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,500
all of your destinations and then the

1522
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,359
return trip back home

1523
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,520
you have to factor in time travel to

1524
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:43,920
that so you know that you're arriving

1525
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,119
and departing and returning at the time

1526
00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:49,920
that you need to do all this so you

1527
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,859
people remember your name right because

1528
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:55,280
what if you're off by a thousand years

1529
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,400
it's it is very well the moment you put

1530
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,440
time travel in any equation I mean I

1531
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,660
didn't episode that some months back it

1532
00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:05,579
gets bad like one of our conclusions

1533
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:07,319
from our episode time was if you're in a

1534
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,460
situation where you have alternating

1535
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:10,559
timelines on each other on Universe you

1536
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:12,540
know each individual what if has so many

1537
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:14,220
options that there's like a trillion new

1538
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,380
Futures every second for each one which

1539
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:18,780
means if I'm say a million years ahead

1540
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,760
in time or a thousand whatever is it's a

1541
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,319
trillion trillion trillion trillion

1542
00:59:26,569 --> 00:59:24,240
trillion different universes and let's

1543
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,579
say just one in a million those says

1544
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,799
they want to go back and invade today so

1545
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,720
yeah portals opening up of all me snap

1546
00:59:34,849 --> 00:59:32,160
you out from five trillion different

1547
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,859
timelines all Innovative right now as

1548
00:59:38,569 --> 00:59:36,599
they're unloading in the soldiers upon

1549
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,579
the battlefield the planet collapses a

1550
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,380
black hole under its new Mass

1551
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:42,720
yeah that's the kind of weird thing but

1552
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,520
you have to factor in a temporal

1553
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:46,980
paradoxes and that's a self-correcting

1554
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,299
factor to some degree because if you

1555
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:50,220
went back in time and made a black hole

1556
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:52,500
out of the planets that should kill off

1557
00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:55,980
the the other timelines surroundings and

1558
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,500
yeah that's that's one of the reasons

1559
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,540
why I love Rick and Morty too as well

1560
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,460
right there

1561
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:04,559
um oh okay so

1562
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:06,180
I'm gonna take a break here in just a

1563
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:10,380
second but before we do that the when

1564
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:12,660
you see something like it it's used so

1565
01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:15,180
often in in science fiction today you

1566
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:18,180
see it constantly but they don't factor

1567
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,319
in or don't warn you about the issues so

1568
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,420
if we're turning around and we're

1569
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:26,760
returning back to Earth At warp speed

1570
01:00:33,789 --> 01:00:28,220
right

1571
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:33,799
for a day but we we travel you know

1572
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:37,680
you know and and we pull up to Earth

1573
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:40,260
um nobody is talking about what time it

1574
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:43,680
is right the the writers and the

1575
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:46,020
director are just assuming that the

1576
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:49,380
audience is assuming that we're just all

1577
01:00:56,109 --> 01:00:51,720
on the same page the same calendar the

1578
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:56,119
same Google uh contact staring program

1579
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:58,920
and that uh we're all we're all

1580
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:01,619
synchronized uh to Greenwich

1581
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,619
right Greenwich mean time but that that

1582
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:06,420
that cannot be the case if you're

1583
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,440
zipping around the universe uh

1584
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:12,299
you know sub lumos I don't know how time

1585
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:14,040
works there's a lot of mysteries where

1586
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:15,780
time is concerned to say at least but we

1587
01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:17,400
do in some ways it doesn't work and it

1588
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:18,839
doesn't look as one flat clock

1589
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:20,819
everywhere the same place and same speed

1590
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,220
they all posted universal time just run

1591
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:25,740
slower you know and faster too you know

1592
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,540
the The Intergalactic void is where it

1593
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,960
runs closest to Flat real you know and

1594
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:32,280
it might not be that big of a time

1595
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,540
difference they are compared to what is

1596
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:35,280
Sagittarius A where it's a giant black

1597
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:39,540
hole but yeah time is not this this

1598
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:42,780
separate independent thing and you know

1599
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,220
whether you would almost regardless of

1600
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:46,559
what FTL method you're using even when

1601
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,660
it doesn't invoke you know time travel

1602
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:51,059
back in time it always messes with time

1603
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:54,839
always you you never ever gonna like the

1604
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:56,760
arrive on departure dates at at a

1605
01:02:00,530 --> 01:01:58,260
Spaceport they are never going to look

1606
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:02,809
your arrival

1607
01:02:10,030 --> 01:02:06,140
was last week right

1608
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:10,040
thank you for the party line

1609
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,660
I think let's take our break right here

1610
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:14,400
this is Fade to Black I'm your assuming

1611
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:15,180
church tonight we're talking about

1612
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:17,880
wormholes and E.T more with Isaac Arthur

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your host Timmy church and tonight Our

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Guest is Isaac Arthur we're discussing

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wormholes and I have a wormhole uh that

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is running right now and I am able to

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observe Isaac on the other end of our

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Einstein Rosen bridge and he's back with

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us

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right there Isaac that's a wormhole in

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action right now we are wormholing the

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uh the announcement came on November

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30th uh just over a month ago uh about

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for the first time that scientists have

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created a wormhole and they did it uh

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with a quantum computer they did it with

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uh now this is all from memory so don't

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01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:26,940
don't assume me if I'm wrong uh with a

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quantum computer called Sycamore and uh

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they the description of it

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01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:38,039
was uh in the press release and and the

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words that were used was that it was uh

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a teleportation through a hologram

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right and Quantum qubit Quantum

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information

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passed through

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this hologram uh Wormhole

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very small yes

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and very tiny it's not like anybody was

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01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:09,660
driving a car through it at this point

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01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:13,980
um but uh at least the ideas for the

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01:07:20,809 --> 01:07:17,160
Einstein Rosen Bridge seemed to be now

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01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:20,819
firmly seated in reality kind of it was

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a simulation in the end it was being

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simply on a quantum computer now it is a

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pretty big deal in terms of what they've

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01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,520
discovered from that modeling but they

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01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:30,960
didn't really open up a portal and move

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it at the same time there's some of

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these ideas are already still pretty

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firmly in in the mix like we've been

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doing quantum teleportation for a while

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and you know that is part of how Quantum

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Computing works the principle is that

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Quantum Computing work on the principles

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that Fusion installers works on all

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requires teleportation to walk so this

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is a way to move stuff where it's not

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01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:53,099
supposed to be yet that is

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for me baked into reality same you know

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like um

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01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,220
again well I can't think of his name

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01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:01,680
right now another very famous physicist

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01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:04,680
known for the EPA equals ER Paradox

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01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:06,900
um he is of the opinion there's always

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01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:08,839
possibly like electrons could actually

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be tiny little black holes you know

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01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,880
there's so many title options it's going

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to indicate yes these things probably

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have

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some kind of basic reality to them you

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01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,799
know when we do a simulation like that

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obviously it's it's it's trying to see

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01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:27,000
under what conditions and I think they

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thought that it kind of proved the

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holographic principle I don't agree it's

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evidence that helps to kind of bring it

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in there but at the same time I don't

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want to make too much out of Discovery

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01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,980
but it was a big one yeah okay so here's

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01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:43,440
the press release physicists have

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01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,739
created the first ever Wormhole a kind

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of tunnel theorized in 1935 by Albert

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01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:51,299
Einstein and Nathan Rosen that leads

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from one place to another by passing

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into an extra dimension of space

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um The Wormhole emerged like a hologram

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out of quantum bits of information or

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qubits uh stored in circuits by

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01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,580
manipulating the qubits the physicists

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then sent the information Through the

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Wormhole as reported in the journal

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Nature the team led by Maria sarapolu of

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California Institute of Technology

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Implement implemented the Wormhole

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01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:25,080
telepatient protocol using Google's

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01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:26,580
quantum computer a device called

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01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:30,000
Sycamore in Santa Barbara California it

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was the first of its kind quantum

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01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:34,080
gravity experiments

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and so that's that's the wording

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01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:40,620
um in in in the press release are we

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reading it did the Press manipulate this

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into something else or yes

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it's always it's always a little bit

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01:09:53,150 --> 01:09:50,960
changed around but not exactly

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everything I mean anything you do with

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01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,840
that scale is being done with like one

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01:09:58,250 --> 01:09:56,640
or two particles we do quantum

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01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,260
teleportation it's one or two particles

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01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:00,660
it isn't unfair to say that they are

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moving something from A to B uh on both

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01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,600
that qubit right it's just that what

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01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:07,920
they're really doing is testing a

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01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:11,280
principle in more

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01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:12,900
yeah I'm gonna get myself in trouble and

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01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:14,219
probably be slightly wrong if I finish

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01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,380
that I would say the story is a little

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01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:19,140
bit overhyped they didn't really make a

1795
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:20,880
wormhole Wormhole by people are thinking

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01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:23,580
this is this is more of a Quantum

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01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:25,560
Computing check of the principle that

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data can move uh for me to be along a

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one more

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oh that's what they said you know it's

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01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:34,440
almost impossible to discuss Quantum

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01:10:40,209 --> 01:10:38,760
scenes how to sync the Titanic by Isaac

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01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:40,219
Arthur

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01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,699
so it comes the job a lot um I mean it's

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01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:49,560
it's a reality almost every science

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01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:52,500
article can be a little bit extreme like

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01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:53,400
um

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01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:56,760
Break Even uh on on Fusion that was the

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01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:58,140
other big one for the last couple months

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01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:59,400
and it's not they didn't make huge

1811
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,840
progress on that but we declared that

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01:11:03,770 --> 01:11:02,400
before because autopilots where do I

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01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,780
actually you know where do I actually

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01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,120
say I've set the line like um you know

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01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:08,159
if your businesses Break Even accept

1816
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:09,780
that you're not including your debt

1817
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:11,460
payments you're not actually making a

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01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,900
profit and it's kind of like what it

1819
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,159
tends to be with Fusion technology we

1820
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,840
even say we made an improvement that

1821
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:17,340
let's just use less energy to get the

1822
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,739
result out of fusion uh but until you

1823
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,840
can actually run the generator that's

1824
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:24,060
powering the fusion device on itself

1825
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,280
you're not actually at break even yet

1826
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,080
can I can I ask you a question about

1827
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:31,440
that experiment I am really confused

1828
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:32,840
about something

1829
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:35,880
and and it's this

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01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:40,080
our son at its stage our son right here

1831
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:45,600
our our sun at its stage at its age of

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01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,880
development right now it's got a

1833
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:50,640
hydrogen core and it's burning

1834
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:54,960
um at at about uh 10 million degrees

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01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,440
right and it's got a helium shell on the

1836
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:01,020
outside and the fusion process is

1837
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,659
happening but but it's it's it's 10

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01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,420
million degrees and it's a very

1839
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:08,460
comfortable thing that is running there

1840
01:12:18,189 --> 01:12:14,280
the fusion process that uh was reported

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01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,199
on uh a month and a half ago is

1842
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:21,600
150 million degrees yeah and so that's

1843
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,300
phase two of our sun when we have a

1844
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:26,760
helium core with a hydrogen outer shell

1845
01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:30,120
and and that it it and to do the fusion

1846
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,760
of helium particles at that point it's

1847
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:34,920
extreme temperatures it's 150 million

1848
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:37,739
degrees and that's what why aren't they

1849
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:40,500
I just don't understand this you know

1850
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:43,380
they're you know 200 lasers to get these

1851
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:47,580
pallets you know up to a 150 million

1852
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,940
degrees why aren't they doing this at at

1853
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:53,760
10 million degrees with hydrogen this is

1854
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,080
this is the key thing to say it's hard

1855
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:56,880
to emulate the conditions inside the Sun

1856
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,380
and that is a true statement but the

1857
01:13:01,250 --> 01:13:00,239
problem is we don't want to emulate the

1858
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:01,260
conditions at the core of the Sun

1859
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:03,780
because that's not enough Fusion in all

1860
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:06,540
sun is designed to take you say one ton

1861
01:13:12,890 --> 01:13:10,140
of of hydrogen and turn it into one ton

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01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:12,900
of helium minus a couple pounds uh over

1863
01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:14,760
the course of a billion years and while

1864
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,580
that is a lot of energy it isn't over a

1865
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:19,560
couple minutes if you got a you know one

1866
01:13:23,689 --> 01:13:21,480
ton Fusion reactor going to Sun's

1867
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:23,699
conversion range and a one ton gasoline

1868
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:25,620
powered system one of them is going to

1869
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:28,260
run a light bulb uh and one of them is

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01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:30,300
not it's the fusion when it's not going

1871
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:32,580
to uh I don't know what's up my head I

1872
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:33,540
put in some videos where the actual

1873
01:13:38,209 --> 01:13:35,820
conversion rate is but right

1874
01:13:39,709 --> 01:13:38,219
takes a couple tons of Sobo matter at

1875
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:39,719
the core to produce one watt of power

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01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:42,600
it's slow because it burns that's why

1877
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,860
it's going to take 10 billion years to

1878
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,600
run through its Fuel and won't even blow

1879
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:47,760
most of it up and you know it's a huge

1880
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:49,260
amount of energy because what matter to

1881
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,820
from one state to another via Fusion

1882
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,260
it's about one percent amount of energy

1883
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,420
conversion but still tiny you know when

1884
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,920
you when you're doing it at a mid to

1885
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,719
minute level what's actually happening

1886
01:14:01,310 --> 01:13:59,400
something like a supernova

1887
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,320
um is that something avoiding a large

1888
01:14:05,870 --> 01:14:04,080
chunk of that matter into energy in a

1889
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:05,880
couple of seconds the way the fusion

1890
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:08,460
becomes so much higher normally when two

1891
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,620
protons Bend together they do this

1892
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,540
trillions of times before they stick

1893
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:14,640
together long enough to form a diproton

1894
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,500
and that's a worthless particle anyway

1895
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:18,540
so you want deuterium but every so

1896
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,480
afterwards very real the whole process

1897
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,400
is that statistical fluke at that

1898
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:25,980
temperature it happens insanely rarely

1899
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,440
and it produces a trickle of power but

1900
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:30,480
out of that much of it it would do it

1901
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,699
over a very long time like to make sure

1902
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:34,800
I got decent numbers here all Sun gives

1903
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:37,080
off 4 times 10 to 26 watts and it weighs

1904
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,920
2 times 10 to 30 30 kilograms so that's

1905
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:43,199
almost a million or you know difference

1906
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:45,420
of a million half a million right

1907
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,580
um half a million kilograms of that

1908
01:14:52,430 --> 01:14:50,280
stuff is generating one watt half a

1909
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,440
million kilograms 500 tons generating

1910
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,199
one water power that's not very much no

1911
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:56,880
it's not president please ignore that

1912
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,260
number I'm off by chores of attitude

1913
01:15:02,350 --> 01:15:00,480
five tons of that matters generally one

1914
01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:02,360
water power still not much

1915
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,900
but when you have that much tonnage you

1916
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:08,340
know then it turns into something but

1917
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,260
but a five ton power generally will only

1918
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:11,760
putting out one Whopper doing it for a

1919
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:14,820
billion years is pretty good so this

1920
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,159
just came in from a Gandalf that's his

1921
01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:19,199
real name by the way his parents gave

1922
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:22,739
him that name Gandalf says I appreciate

1923
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:24,000
that

1924
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:25,980
he says the pressure is not high enough

1925
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,199
when he's talking about the you know the

1926
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,420
10 million uh degrees and he's right

1927
01:15:33,649 --> 01:15:32,400
about that and I'll address that in a

1928
01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:33,659
second the pressure is not high enough

1929
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:35,580
the pressure is much higher in the sun

1930
01:15:39,649 --> 01:15:37,620
we compensate with higher temperature to

1931
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:39,659
make up for the lower pressure and he is

1932
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:41,640
see that's how I have a pretty smart

1933
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,400
audience not as smart as yours uh uh

1934
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:46,560
Isaac oh this is probably one audience

1935
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:49,560
this is one of your fans that is here

1936
01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:51,659
tonight in that

1937
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,080
um our son it he's correct the amount of

1938
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:57,360
pressure that it takes to get to the 10

1939
01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:01,140
million degrees is is is is different

1940
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:02,940
than the amount of pressure that it

1941
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:06,719
would take and Mass to get to the 150

1942
01:16:10,610 --> 01:16:08,340
million degrees it's two different

1943
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:10,620
stages there are stars around that

1944
01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:13,320
temperature like we a stall that is

1945
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,199
um twice all Sun size will live about 1

1946
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:18,000
8 of time all sun does or 110 somewhere

1947
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,620
in that range because it's burning

1948
01:16:22,510 --> 01:16:21,600
faster because it's of course it's just

1949
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:22,520
so much

1950
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:25,260
ten thousand and and that would have

1951
01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:27,000
been my original number Olio would have

1952
01:16:30,590 --> 01:16:28,440
been you know low even there I might

1953
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:30,600
take an entire Megaton to give you

1954
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:32,760
enough to run a light bulb here of like

1955
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:35,760
a red dwarf at a very tiny in the M9 but

1956
01:16:39,649 --> 01:16:37,620
the other ones that will list for like a

1957
01:16:41,709 --> 01:16:39,659
million years or less and they've gone

1958
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:41,719
through so much

1959
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:43,620
yeah that's kind of what we need to

1960
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:47,159
emulate for what we want so much mass it

1961
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:48,840
just burns through that hydrogen just

1962
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:51,719
crushes the crap out of it and the next

1963
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:53,460
thing you know it's over

1964
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:55,020
um and and that's another reason why I

1965
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:57,480
read dwarfs you know last for a trillion

1966
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:00,420
or trillions of years very low mass star

1967
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:02,940
and their their Fusion process is just

1968
01:17:07,610 --> 01:17:05,400
on cruise control it's also nice because

1969
01:17:09,470 --> 01:17:07,620
it will it Cycles everything bubbles

1970
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:09,480
like a pot so you're not running out of

1971
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:11,880
hydrogen people say well our Sun's 74

1972
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:14,340
hydrogen don't quote that number and and

1973
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,739
22 helium over 25 some whatever it is

1974
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:18,239
it's about one percent things on those

1975
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,980
two so see that we've gone through a

1976
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,560
quarter of all Hydro raising no the sun

1977
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,960
actually already had like 7 70 percent

1978
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,880
something hydrogen began with it's only

1979
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:28,560
got like two or three percent of change

1980
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,140
over during the time 600 Mega tons per

1981
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,420
second that two volts into helium but

1982
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:34,800
that's still very tiny compared to how

1983
01:17:38,689 --> 01:17:37,020
much the sun actually is it were only

1984
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:38,699
born I got about a tenth of its uh

1985
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:41,520
hydrogen that goes you know uh through

1986
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:43,620
it will still be mostly hydrogen when it

1987
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:46,080
goes red dwarf red dwarfs sorry not much

1988
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:48,540
wolf red giant the very low end of

1989
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:49,500
vegetables they are actually born

1990
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:51,060
through all of it in the ends that's

1991
01:17:54,050 --> 01:17:52,260
that's part of what extends their lives

1992
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:54,060
they get to use all their fuel they just

1993
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,280
use it very slowly whereas those big

1994
01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:58,320
ones it's they actually use a lot of

1995
01:18:02,570 --> 01:17:59,699
those neon two but only because they use

1996
01:18:06,910 --> 01:18:02,580
most at the end they go boom

1997
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:06,920
right right well isn't that isn't that

1998
01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:11,760
uh isn't that a good reason uh for et by

1999
01:18:15,229 --> 01:18:12,540
the way

2000
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:15,239
um it's it's winter where Isaac is and

2001
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:18,540
he's you know he's yeah I'm sorry I've

2002
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:20,580
been a congested all week Jesse has a

2003
01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:21,420
cold

2004
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:22,920
um is that

2005
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,320
one of the reasons why E.T would be

2006
01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:27,780
visiting us is because their son is

2007
01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:28,820
toast

2008
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,760
right exploring uh the universe because

2009
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:34,560
we're gonna have to blow this Popsicle

2010
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,260
stand at some point too as well no no

2011
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,060
you can extend a starless life here they

2012
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:41,520
want to oh man see that's the thing you

2013
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:45,480
you smoke too much weed Isaac I I don't

2014
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:55,010
thinking of the movie uh animal house

2015
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:57,000
and they're all sitting around smoking

2016
01:19:02,330 --> 01:18:59,159
pot with uh their college professor

2017
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:02,340
right their philosophy professors and he

2018
01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:06,480
goes you mean the cell on my thumbnail

2019
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:10,980
can be an entire solar system with a sun

2020
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,179
and an earth

2021
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,640
right that's that's where you are with

2022
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,320
these Concepts man you're smoking the

2023
01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:18,239
weed yeah man we can extend the life of

2024
01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:19,460
our son

2025
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:22,739
you know to me I grew up on so much the

2026
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:25,380
science fiction it was such a part of my

2027
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:27,300
upbringing and so often the questions

2028
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:28,920
that would come up with those those were

2029
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:30,540
very real to me as like things that were

2030
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,480
interesting to know you know so I I do

2031
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,040
like to ask those questions how hard is

2032
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:36,719
it to really build a star war planet or

2033
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:39,900
to refuel sun it's a big question and we

2034
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,860
know it would be to a future

2035
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:42,360
civilization it's not very real to us

2036
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:44,040
right now but if you live in geeky

2037
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:45,960
enough circles how do you refill your

2038
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,460
sun seems like it should be an important

2039
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:48,800
question

2040
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,420
stop stop stop stop you can't just blow

2041
01:20:00,169 --> 01:19:54,719
go past this stuff no let's back up the

2042
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:00,179
car you're saying that you have an idea

2043
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:03,360
where we could pull up our son to a gas

2044
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:07,560
pump and inject hydrogen into it is that

2045
01:20:13,689 --> 01:20:09,780
what you're saying uh we have an episode

2046
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,790
in the Sun for a few months back so I

2047
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:18,480
actually had a bad initial rollout so I

2048
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:19,679
changed the cover to have a gas pump

2049
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:20,580
going through because I thought it was

2050
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,020
funny at the time

2051
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,000
um did you really oh I just made that up

2052
01:20:28,130 --> 01:20:26,400
okay I changed it back after I've been

2053
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:28,140
sitting for a while

2054
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:30,420
we're smoking the same exotic

2055
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:33,239
Californian weed apparently okay but but

2056
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:36,719
how how would this be done because and

2057
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:39,900
for the audience the ideas are simple uh

2058
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,600
we have uh just imagine this we've got a

2059
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,600
hydrogen core surrounded by helium the

2060
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:47,760
pressure is causing the fusion and the

2061
01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:50,340
changing of of the hydrogen and

2062
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:53,159
eventually the helium will overtake the

2063
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,320
hydrogen in the middle then surrounded

2064
01:20:59,630 --> 01:20:57,600
by a hydrogen core with helium in the

2065
01:21:02,090 --> 01:20:59,640
middle that's 150 million degrees period

2066
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:02,100
when that happens we've got to be gone

2067
01:21:06,770 --> 01:21:04,620
we have to be out of here because the

2068
01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:06,780
sun's going to expand it won't have the

2069
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,780
the pull down to get to the 150 million

2070
01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:12,000
degrees and because we don't have enough

2071
01:21:16,910 --> 01:21:14,280
mass and when that happens the Sun is

2072
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:16,920
going to expand and probably Reach Out

2073
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:19,320
And Touch planet Earth at that point so

2074
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:21,420
we don't want that to happen we want it

2075
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:24,120
to stay where it is now right we need to

2076
01:21:30,169 --> 01:21:27,300
continue to have hydrogen there right

2077
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:30,179
right yeah and and the key thing is

2078
01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:32,820
depending on a star's mass is how

2079
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,620
convective it is and to make that

2080
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:36,719
straightforward If You're Expecting

2081
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,980
things to kind of settle to the middle

2082
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:39,840
right you need to handle your dents and

2083
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:41,219
stuff like ions gonna settle the middle

2084
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:43,620
and when when you're dealing with larger

2085
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,480
systems like that that doesn't really

2086
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,800
tend to be the way it is that's why

2087
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,360
there are things like ion aluminum on

2088
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,679
our surface when they're much heavier

2089
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:52,380
than normal dirt or water and it's not

2090
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:53,580
just because they are lighter than

2091
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:55,980
uranium yes the core is usually denser

2092
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,080
but they do bubble around and stars

2093
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,520
bubble around and our sun is one of the

2094
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:01,500
ones that does bubble up a lot it's not

2095
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:03,300
fully convective but over time it would

2096
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,640
be if you were cycling stuff out so if I

2097
01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:07,440
go and scoop a chunk of the up or sun

2098
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:09,960
off for the moment which isn't really a

2099
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:11,040
right way to look at because the the

2100
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:12,840
sun's upward atmosphere is thinner than

2101
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:14,940
our air uh the part that we can see that

2102
01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:16,620
we call the surface is very very thin

2103
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,060
but let's we scoop something off

2104
01:22:21,649 --> 01:22:19,920
magically for the moment that's going to

2105
01:22:23,090 --> 01:22:21,659
contain about one percent of metals

2106
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:23,100
including gold and things like that in

2107
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:24,600
there too it's not just hydrogen helium

2108
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:26,640
that all the heavier stuff is not just

2109
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,500
in the core the helium comes bubbling up

2110
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:30,480
so we scooped it up when we pour the

2111
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:31,739
helium off it and when the other things

2112
01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:33,179
are fit and just put hydrogen back in

2113
01:22:37,070 --> 01:22:35,460
and maybe we suck some Hydro for Jupiter

2114
01:22:40,010 --> 01:22:37,080
for instance Jupiter's got a 35 million

2115
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:40,020
some EO supply for the sun right uh or

2116
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:41,520
some other places there's a lot of free

2117
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:42,840
hydrogen out there there's a lot just

2118
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:44,219
floating around

2119
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:45,719
you'd say that helium and you do

2120
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:47,400
something with it maybe you dump it into

2121
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,020
a black hole to use inside a show will

2122
01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:51,120
look like a hollow Moon maybe you use it

2123
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:52,980
for artificial Fusion there's lots of

2124
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:54,360
things you could do with it

2125
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,440
um but

2126
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:57,120
how do you get it off this very hot

2127
01:23:01,010 --> 01:22:58,800
object and the surprise thing is you use

2128
01:23:02,810 --> 01:23:01,020
the sun Zone power this is a process we

2129
01:23:04,010 --> 01:23:02,820
call Star lifting and there's three ways

2130
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:04,020
to do it one of them is called the huff

2131
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,140
and puff method because you smoke weed

2132
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,440
right that's not mine

2133
01:23:13,490 --> 01:23:11,820
but that one's that's all at all look

2134
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:13,500
I'll give you a reference to three pigs

2135
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,060
there but I think you've got everybody

2136
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,820
talking about weed now see

2137
01:23:23,950 --> 01:23:19,679
see look at the comments here they come

2138
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:23,960
I am a loaded stuff and do not use but

2139
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,880
but I've spoken a couple years back too

2140
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:28,800
no more tobacco

2141
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:31,320
um but uh you you can pull the matter

2142
01:23:35,149 --> 01:23:33,179
out because there's such a huge magnetic

2143
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:35,159
field there and all the metal comes off

2144
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:36,900
anyway because of solar wind that is

2145
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:39,000
millions and millions of tons of

2146
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,640
material blowing out the Sun so you

2147
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:43,199
focus more energy down me with the meal

2148
01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:44,580
whatever it's just to heat up a spot so

2149
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,440
it blows most of the wind off or you do

2150
01:23:49,610 --> 01:23:47,760
so it looks kind of like an accordion

2151
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,620
Bellows thing you can see how visual of

2152
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,360
and I'll stall at the episode or feeling

2153
01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:53,400
inside or walk you through it just blows

2154
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:55,140
more that matter off and you may

2155
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:57,060
identity scoop it off as it goes usually

2156
01:24:01,490 --> 01:23:59,100
off the poles by preference and that

2157
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:01,500
gives you a huge giant Bellows pumping

2158
01:24:07,330 --> 01:24:03,780
the sun off you cycle that material off

2159
01:24:12,410 --> 01:24:11,510
how does the hydrogen travel through the

2160
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,420
Sun

2161
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,159
it would have bubbles up over millions

2162
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:16,560
of years how does gold get to the

2163
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:19,140
surface of the Earth right no okay and

2164
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:20,699
now I understand that but wouldn't it

2165
01:24:26,450 --> 01:24:24,120
have to get through the helium and back

2166
01:24:28,189 --> 01:24:26,460
into the hydrogen core well the helium's

2167
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:28,199
the core is not actually hydrogen the

2168
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,840
the helium density is highest in the

2169
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:32,760
core the hydrogen is being thrown with

2170
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:34,620
helium there you're thinking of stars

2171
01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:35,820
are still getting ready to go supernova

2172
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:37,800
for having multiple shells our sun

2173
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:40,199
basically is about the same consistency

2174
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:42,540
throughout in terms of makeup with a

2175
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:44,460
little bit higher helium in the core

2176
01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:46,980
just a little bit and the decor is much

2177
01:24:51,290 --> 01:24:49,080
denser but it's still mostly hydrogen

2178
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,300
and it's you know it's about the same

2179
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,520
ratio of helium there as up by the

2180
01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:55,440
surface it is a little bit higher but

2181
01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:57,420
not too much and you keep cycling it out

2182
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,739
it will actually leak out enough that

2183
01:25:02,570 --> 01:24:59,940
you would never have to have the sun go

2184
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,580
red giant

2185
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:03,840
and you could actually do it when it was

2186
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,980
getting ready to go eventually if you

2187
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:06,060
really want to because it's easier to

2188
01:25:09,530 --> 01:25:08,340
suck matter off of that Giants but you

2189
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:09,540
just keep cycling that is like you've

2190
01:25:14,090 --> 01:25:11,699
got Sports of hydrogen and since you can

2191
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:14,100
build Saturn sized fake planets that

2192
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:15,360
were made out of just hydrogen with a

2193
01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:16,739
shell around them that's a very good way

2194
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:19,500
to store your gas tanks giant plants of

2195
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:21,420
Earth's type variety that are 100 times

2196
01:25:24,649 --> 01:25:22,920
bigger than Earth floating around

2197
01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:24,659
waiting to be turned into uh you know

2198
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,580
fuel tanks down the road

2199
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:28,440
do you think that

2200
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,260
um uh the amount of energy

2201
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,600
uh that we have we're going to have to

2202
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:35,340
harness energy from somewhere if we're

2203
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,100
going to go and construct black holes in

2204
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:40,320
wormholes right it's not going to be an

2205
01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:41,820
energy source

2206
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:44,640
uh from Earth I don't think so I I'm

2207
01:25:48,590 --> 01:25:46,500
thinking we're gonna have to go external

2208
01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:48,600
would we have to go to Jupiter for that

2209
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:51,659
would it is our sun

2210
01:25:56,090 --> 01:25:54,120
um energetic enough to construct

2211
01:25:58,250 --> 01:25:56,100
something to travel to another star

2212
01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:58,260
system well there's two billion times

2213
01:26:02,330 --> 01:26:00,300
more sunlight being produced by the Sun

2214
01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:02,340
than the Earth actually gets itself and

2215
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,199
I don't remember exactly what the budget

2216
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:05,760
looks like plant wise but I think the

2217
01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:07,800
human race is Electric Supply is is on

2218
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:09,659
order of a thousand to ten thousand

2219
01:26:13,790 --> 01:26:12,179
times smaller than most soloists

2220
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:13,800
um and that might be very low so

2221
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:15,420
basically you got at least a trillion

2222
01:26:19,070 --> 01:26:17,100
times more power coming out the sun

2223
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:19,080
available for us to use than Humanity

2224
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:21,060
currently uses uh in terms of

2225
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,860
electricity and fuel I'd obviously we

2226
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:24,900
use it for growing plants

2227
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:25,560
um

2228
01:26:32,209 --> 01:26:30,420
and you can do something like a solo say

2229
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:32,219
or a laser sail with instead of letting

2230
01:26:35,689 --> 01:26:34,020
the sun bounce off of a mirror push that

2231
01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:35,699
you say screw just a little bit of

2232
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,900
diversion line which go ahead and hit

2233
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:38,880
with the laser beam and accelerate it

2234
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,639
very fast or faster anyway and yeah it

2235
01:26:45,050 --> 01:26:43,679
absolutely you could move giant ships I

2236
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:45,060
mean we talk about moving ones that'll

2237
01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:46,679
that make your aircraft carrier look

2238
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,020
like a little you know rubber duck out

2239
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:51,360
of the top yeah throw systems using the

2240
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:55,320
sun's power well when Al cubieri

2241
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:00,120
um uh you know brought up his idea of uh

2242
01:27:04,850 --> 01:27:02,760
his warp drive which I think he was

2243
01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:04,860
pretty convinced in the beginning that

2244
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:08,040
the math worked but in the end he kept

2245
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,080
going back and revisiting and revisiting

2246
01:27:13,390 --> 01:27:11,520
and kind of went you know what man you

2247
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:13,400
know I looked at this again and

2248
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:16,260
this crap is impossible it would take

2249
01:27:22,669 --> 01:27:19,920
the energy of the entire universe to

2250
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,679
fire this thing up just one time is is

2251
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:24,420
that the same thing with wormholes are

2252
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,560
we talking about that kind of

2253
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:28,080
concentration of energy

2254
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:29,159
um

2255
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:31,560
it depends I mean it comes down to

2256
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,280
whether or not you actually have

2257
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:34,320
negative matter if you have negative

2258
01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:36,060
matter and again negative matter is

2259
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:37,139
something that

2260
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:40,020
uh that's probably just think of the

2261
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,940
matter was matter that has an absence of

2262
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:43,920
gravity to reverse gravity you know or

2263
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,719
if you push down a piece of negative

2264
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,340
matter would actually fly towards you

2265
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,400
instead very counterintuitive stuff I am

2266
01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:52,080
well I'm not performing at any Camp

2267
01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:53,460
because it'll be rather be for me in any

2268
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,100
camera but I tend to be pretty opposed

2269
01:27:59,689 --> 01:27:58,080
the idea that stuff exists at all and so

2270
01:28:02,570 --> 01:27:59,699
someone discovers even one particle that

2271
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:02,580
I tend to assume doesn't exist and it

2272
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,100
requires you require a negative man or

2273
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,920
negative energy uh to do something like

2274
01:28:11,149 --> 01:28:09,840
the warp drive there is a reason to

2275
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:11,159
think you might be able to do negative

2276
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,780
energy unlimited amounts and some say

2277
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:13,920
maybe you could do some negative amount

2278
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:16,260
of two It's Tricky we don't know what

2279
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:17,760
well cubios would you say is the math

2280
01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:19,500
works if you have these things and the

2281
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:21,540
same is true for more morals if you have

2282
01:28:26,209 --> 01:28:24,179
negative matter it's very hard to argue

2283
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:26,219
you can do one more you know so if

2284
01:28:30,169 --> 01:28:28,260
someone finds one particle of negative

2285
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:30,179
matters model makes it in the lab you

2286
01:28:32,990 --> 01:28:31,380
suddenly have to turn around and say yes

2287
01:28:35,169 --> 01:28:33,000
I think one poles and warp tries are

2288
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,179
both possible

2289
01:28:41,169 --> 01:28:38,159
why is negative matter and when you go

2290
01:28:44,090 --> 01:28:41,179
and and do any Research into wormholes

2291
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:44,100
whether it's Kip Thorn or even uh you

2292
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,719
know Einstein and going back to the

2293
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,520
1930s

2294
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:50,480
um a negative matter and negative

2295
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,699
electromagnetic course these these

2296
01:28:58,250 --> 01:28:55,679
comments they've been there for why is

2297
01:29:02,450 --> 01:28:58,260
it so important why is negative matter

2298
01:29:04,729 --> 01:29:02,460
so important uh to to the creation of a

2299
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:04,739
wormhole well this really comes down to

2300
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,360
the throat and we'll go back to the

2301
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:08,400
two-dimensional you know level stamp

2302
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:09,540
version where it looks like an umbilical

2303
01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:12,239
chord between A and B there right um and

2304
01:29:15,890 --> 01:29:13,800
there you think of that as your tunnel

2305
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,900
but you're showing that tunnel up with

2306
01:29:19,370 --> 01:29:17,760
as opposed like beams inside of mine

2307
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:19,380
you're showing it up with negative

2308
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:21,000
matter there that's what's keeping this

2309
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:22,860
thing so that it doesn't Clash a black

2310
01:29:28,189 --> 01:29:25,199
hole so it's inflatable it stays

2311
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,199
inflated yeah the the core level of a

2312
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:30,719
wormhole of that variety is basically a

2313
01:29:34,850 --> 01:29:32,940
black hole that you stop from collapsing

2314
01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:34,860
into a four Singularity assuming that's

2315
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,139
what black holes even do which I'm also

2316
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:39,600
on the fence about so think of it as

2317
01:29:43,790 --> 01:29:42,540
this this black horse for me as we're

2318
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,800
playing that and throat and it's about

2319
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,600
to cut it off and chop it off like an

2320
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:47,280
umbilical cord normally would be but you

2321
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:49,320
jam a ring made of negative matter in

2322
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:50,820
there and it can't collapse around that

2323
01:29:54,410 --> 01:29:52,080
and that hole through there was the

2324
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:54,420
throat of your wormhole uh this is

2325
01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:56,060
three-dimensional not two-dimensional so

2326
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,980
the analogy only goes so far but in you

2327
01:30:02,750 --> 01:30:00,239
know they are it's going to be a shell

2328
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:02,760
as opposed to a ring and that's where

2329
01:30:04,729 --> 01:30:03,659
you're going to drop in there that's

2330
01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:04,739
what's going to keep this thing from

2331
01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:09,060
collapsing so you can Traverse it and

2332
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,920
this requires a huge amount of this

2333
01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:12,960
material that doesn't exist there are

2334
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,040
some arguments that maybe it only

2335
01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:16,320
requires a few hundred kilograms as

2336
01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:18,360
opposed to several planets worth of the

2337
01:30:24,050 --> 01:30:20,699
material uh that could be debated it's

2338
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,060
on paper my issue is that negative stuff

2339
01:30:29,689 --> 01:30:27,360
really only seems to exist on paper I

2340
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:29,699
can tell you this is a negative one foot

2341
01:30:33,290 --> 01:30:31,500
distance or it's negative a degree

2342
01:30:35,090 --> 01:30:33,300
temperature that's a made-up construct

2343
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:35,100
negative energy like we usually talk

2344
01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:37,080
about we've now negative energy that's

2345
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:38,460
like native temperature in the

2346
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,679
Fahrenheit or Celsius range we set a

2347
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:42,960
zero and it's below that really there's

2348
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:45,060
a baseline for all of what the of what

2349
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,560
like I believe that is the vacuum energy

2350
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,960
level that's all artificial zero you

2351
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,880
know uh that's what we're at normally

2352
01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:52,620
and to say that you go below that you

2353
01:30:56,090 --> 01:30:53,580
suddenly you say negative temperature

2354
01:30:57,229 --> 01:30:56,100
isn't really right and that in that same

2355
01:30:59,149 --> 01:30:57,239
way

2356
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:59,159
um I don't know what a negative foot

2357
01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,139
looks like I've never actually seen one

2358
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:03,179
they don't exist I don't know what a

2359
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:04,679
negative piece of matter looks like I

2360
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:06,000
don't know what a negative gallon of

2361
01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:07,920
water looks like I can show you a

2362
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:09,540
negative gallon on paper it works fine

2363
01:31:13,729 --> 01:31:12,179
but I can't hand you a negative gallon I

2364
01:31:15,290 --> 01:31:13,739
can just hand you an empty gallon jaw

2365
01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:15,300
and say fill it but that's not negative

2366
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:17,699
gallon that's zero is that is that only

2367
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,199
because we're not in that time scale

2368
01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:23,280
and this is another one's case with

2369
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:24,540
start skiing a little bit philosophical

2370
01:31:28,669 --> 01:31:26,699
I suppose too right if I have a gallon

2371
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,679
of water I hand it to you I now have a

2372
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:30,960
negative gallon where I was at you could

2373
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:32,100
make that argument but I don't know that

2374
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,679
one if I try to drink that you know it's

2375
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:37,679
uh and time scales wise because a lot of

2376
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:40,800
these things do shift because space and

2377
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:43,260
time are not in any way separate you

2378
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:45,780
know you could you can play with some of

2379
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,179
these things to change the others right

2380
01:31:53,570 --> 01:31:50,639
if I can press a distance I can compress

2381
01:31:55,490 --> 01:31:53,580
the time right yeah yeah you know these

2382
01:31:59,209 --> 01:31:55,500
things do give you some fluctuation so

2383
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:59,219
would we we couldn't there wouldn't be a

2384
01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:02,040
way to see that it's not in our reality

2385
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:03,900
call it another dimension whatever you

2386
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:05,159
want to say but if it's in a different

2387
01:32:10,010 --> 01:32:08,100
time scale then it is just not part of

2388
01:32:12,290 --> 01:32:10,020
our reality no matter how we want to

2389
01:32:14,090 --> 01:32:12,300
think that we could be physical with it

2390
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:14,100
it had to be part of our reality for us

2391
01:32:17,689 --> 01:32:15,600
to use it though right I guess I got

2392
01:32:19,250 --> 01:32:17,699
like um let's say the other universes

2393
01:32:20,689 --> 01:32:19,260
out there although and there's so many

2394
01:32:22,490 --> 01:32:20,699
different ways you have other divorces

2395
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:22,500
it could be ones are exactly Echo only

2396
01:32:24,910 --> 01:32:24,000
they're for the way over the Hubble

2397
01:32:26,450 --> 01:32:24,920
horizon

2398
01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:26,460
cosmologicalizing or they could be one

2399
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:28,260
cell just copy timelines your classic

2400
01:32:33,050 --> 01:32:31,020
Mini Wards what if I had done X instead

2401
01:32:34,850 --> 01:32:33,060
what if I had if Halo had fun and broke

2402
01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:34,860
his neck you know everyone time travel

2403
01:32:38,590 --> 01:32:36,900
around Hitler's is kind of the the main

2404
01:32:42,169 --> 01:32:38,600
sequence

2405
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:42,179
every possibility exists right right and

2406
01:32:44,990 --> 01:32:43,679
that's that that's that function that is

2407
01:32:47,209 --> 01:32:45,000
the ones where it's like what if the

2408
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,219
universe had simply uh formed Another

2409
01:32:51,950 --> 01:32:48,960
Universe of wand but the speed of light

2410
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:51,960
was twice what is here or one millimeter

2411
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:53,580
per second faster or slower than it is

2412
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,800
here or one foot per second or whatever

2413
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,320
it is maybe gravity is one percent

2414
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,719
stronger 100 million times stronger

2415
01:33:04,189 --> 01:33:02,280
these potential Universal Cloud

2416
01:33:05,629 --> 01:33:04,199
potentially exist and whether or not

2417
01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:05,639
they exist or not

2418
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:08,040
the can you reach them can you detect

2419
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:10,320
them can you absorb them in any way if

2420
01:33:14,090 --> 01:33:11,820
you can it means you should be able to

2421
01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:14,100
travel to them right if I can send

2422
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,500
information between point a and point B

2423
01:33:20,090 --> 01:33:18,480
then I should be able to send a copy of

2424
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:20,100
my brain for instance I should be to

2425
01:33:23,870 --> 01:33:22,080
send man or you know if you can send

2426
01:33:25,310 --> 01:33:23,880
information while that is massive you

2427
01:33:26,570 --> 01:33:25,320
should be able to send

2428
01:33:29,570 --> 01:33:26,580
a person

2429
01:33:30,890 --> 01:33:29,580
you know uh so any way that you can

2430
01:33:33,169 --> 01:33:30,900
actually detect another universe's

2431
01:33:35,209 --> 01:33:33,179
existence should give you some way to

2432
01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:35,219
travel to that with the exception of

2433
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,560
conformal cyclic cosmology biped Rose

2434
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:38,880
which is where you're leaving

2435
01:33:43,070 --> 01:33:40,380
gravitational footprints on a previous

2436
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:43,080
Universe you know that's lets you travel

2437
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,600
forward in time the long way as Doctor

2438
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:48,239
Who would say you know right behind for

2439
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,100
people on jillion years from now to

2440
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:51,840
decode in the subs you know the

2441
01:33:56,149 --> 01:33:53,880
structural Universe where they you know

2442
01:34:00,890 --> 01:33:56,159
post Big Bang exist

2443
01:34:06,890 --> 01:34:00,900
so Nolan just uh posted uh every Bigfoot

2444
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:10,370
I gotta say I gotta say that's uh

2445
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:12,120
that's priceless right there that was

2446
01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:14,760
well done what about when when

2447
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:17,340
um when Matt Visser

2448
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:21,420
um came out with uh his paper and his

2449
01:34:28,129 --> 01:34:25,199
his theory that uh wormholes uh exist

2450
01:34:31,250 --> 01:34:28,139
naturally uh and from the formation of

2451
01:34:33,950 --> 01:34:31,260
the universe and and they are everywhere

2452
01:34:36,169 --> 01:34:33,960
um I I you know that came out in in the

2453
01:34:37,790 --> 01:34:36,179
mid to late 90s and I remember reading

2454
01:34:40,610 --> 01:34:37,800
that going well that makes a lot of

2455
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:40,620
sense all right now he has since kind of

2456
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:43,920
backtrack off of that uh somewhat but at

2457
01:34:50,209 --> 01:34:46,560
the time it was a very exciting uh

2458
01:34:54,649 --> 01:34:50,219
possibility and a possible Discovery and

2459
01:34:57,229 --> 01:34:54,659
then I I was picturing Isaac you know

2460
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,239
how you know the Thomas guide or you

2461
01:35:02,030 --> 01:34:59,040
know travel maps that you would unfold

2462
01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:02,040
you'd unfold a travel map of of

2463
01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:05,100
wormholes connecting galaxies around the

2464
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,780
universe and that's what I was I was

2465
01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:08,880
like that's how et's doing it that's how

2466
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:10,020
they're doing it right there they take

2467
01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:12,540
out the road map awesome yeah I I love

2468
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,580
to think about how that and that's how

2469
01:35:18,530 --> 01:35:16,320
so many episodes pop up is here's aside

2470
01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:18,540
the end sci-fi what would be the real

2471
01:35:21,649 --> 01:35:20,280
consequence we took that step photo but

2472
01:35:23,629 --> 01:35:21,659
if you won't always get so easy that

2473
01:35:25,610 --> 01:35:23,639
your refrigerator is actually to you

2474
01:35:26,689 --> 01:35:25,620
know you do time they open up the

2475
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,699
refrigerator door click the button

2476
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:28,800
anyway open yours up with a milk sat on

2477
01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:30,060
the other planet or back in there it's

2478
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,760
like an entrance and then turns onto the

2479
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,760
freeway right you do your dialing up and

2480
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:37,920
Bam you know is that coming your new

2481
01:35:41,689 --> 01:35:40,380
phone system or is it just like doors of

2482
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:41,699
Oz was the last thing you played with

2483
01:35:47,090 --> 01:35:44,760
that in his uh courts of chaos second

2484
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,100
half of his book series for Amber as did

2485
01:35:51,709 --> 01:35:49,440
Dan Simmons from hyperia everyone wants

2486
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:51,719
to go read about those are great

2487
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:54,360
um but the the you know like suskin

2488
01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:56,219
that's who I was thinking to get Olio uh

2489
01:35:59,330 --> 01:35:57,780
he proposed the idea electrons could

2490
01:36:01,250 --> 01:35:59,340
have holes connecting them oh you're

2491
01:36:02,810 --> 01:36:01,260
talking about Leonard yeah yeah he did

2492
01:36:04,729 --> 01:36:02,820
he didn't I couldn't think of Olio yeah

2493
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:04,739
you know what when we were doing our

2494
01:36:11,570 --> 01:36:08,639
list of names we left off Lenny I

2495
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:11,580
apologize Lenny I apologize there are so

2496
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,780
many great things out there and these

2497
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,400
are just the ones who you know there are

2498
01:36:17,149 --> 01:36:15,840
some amazing thinkers out there who are

2499
01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:17,159
just afraid to actually talk in front of

2500
01:36:21,770 --> 01:36:18,840
a class and they never get to be you

2501
01:36:22,850 --> 01:36:21,780
know they never show up on TV I I know

2502
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,860
somebody who's got the same speech

2503
01:36:27,470 --> 01:36:24,960
impediment I have only warsu is

2504
01:36:30,350 --> 01:36:27,480
brilliant and they basically they don't

2505
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,360
teach even small classes because they

2506
01:36:33,709 --> 01:36:32,100
can't stand the get made fun of all the

2507
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:33,719
feeling they would be for like so you

2508
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:35,040
know things out there who just aren't

2509
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,040
public appeals wise and I mean there are

2510
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:40,320
so many great minds out there I I feel I

2511
01:36:45,530 --> 01:36:43,260
feel I feel bad about having that kind

2512
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,540
of mental block you know or that kind of

2513
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:47,280
fear that kind of phobia because

2514
01:36:51,110 --> 01:36:48,780
honestly I'm just gonna tell you right

2515
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:51,120
now Isaac nobody gives a crap

2516
01:36:58,689 --> 01:36:54,960
you give a crap and I get that right but

2517
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:58,699
but we don't we don't we enjoy your mind

2518
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:01,440
yeah but but whether if something has a

2519
01:37:03,709 --> 01:37:02,760
fear of that themselves you know they

2520
01:37:05,450 --> 01:37:03,719
just don't like to talk in public

2521
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,460
there's the fear of public speaking is

2522
01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:07,380
not what I've ever had I know you know

2523
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:09,000
I'm probably not you either I don't

2524
01:37:12,649 --> 01:37:10,800
think maybe people become radio

2525
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:12,659
personalities YouTubers whatever it is

2526
01:37:16,430 --> 01:37:14,280
that they are or even just professors

2527
01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:16,440
really if they are afraid to talk in

2528
01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:18,179
front of the crowd before the fact that

2529
01:37:21,410 --> 01:37:19,560
we don't usually talk in front of crowds

2530
01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:21,420
that often right right right right right

2531
01:37:27,229 --> 01:37:25,560
right no I remember uh uh when you and I

2532
01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:27,239
discovered each other you had just

2533
01:37:32,689 --> 01:37:30,300
started the channel and and when we

2534
01:37:36,169 --> 01:37:32,699
started that communication back then and

2535
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:36,179
I was I I went through a really I've

2536
01:37:39,530 --> 01:37:38,280
told you this a million times but uh to

2537
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:39,540
those out there that haven't heard the

2538
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:42,780
story I went through a really bad Isaac

2539
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:45,600
Arthur addiction and I had to go through

2540
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:48,239
a 12-step program and I had meetings

2541
01:37:56,110 --> 01:37:51,000
once a week where I had to go and and

2542
01:38:04,610 --> 01:37:59,510
future science addiction because I was

2543
01:38:06,169 --> 01:38:04,620
and and and I I only heard your speech

2544
01:38:09,770 --> 01:38:06,179
issues

2545
01:38:12,350 --> 01:38:09,780
for maybe 15 minutes in the very

2546
01:38:13,729 --> 01:38:12,360
beginning here and now I know a lot of

2547
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,739
people adapt to it really quickly other

2548
01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:16,080
people and I try you know there are

2549
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,820
people who I know my voice is like nails

2550
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:20,400
on a chalkboard too and I can't be angry

2551
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:21,360
at them there are people whose voices

2552
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,699
bug me that shouldn't you know it's what

2553
01:38:28,430 --> 01:38:26,639
bug shows what bug shot you know and uh

2554
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,440
obviously some of them encourage that

2555
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,420
with some nasty or chromosome necessary

2556
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:32,400
that's just being a joke but if someone

2557
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:34,199
doesn't like the way you sound like I

2558
01:38:38,570 --> 01:38:36,900
have something I love audiobooks and the

2559
01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:38,580
narrator's tone of voice can make such a

2560
01:38:41,629 --> 01:38:39,900
difference to whether I enjoy and I'm

2561
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:41,639
not not just Discovery in some areas are

2562
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,860
incredibly boring and that kills it but

2563
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,480
just I don't like the way they talk

2564
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:47,520
whatever it is that's a petty preference

2565
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:49,920
but it's a real one it's a real one look

2566
01:38:54,770 --> 01:38:53,520
I I do audio books uh every day and I've

2567
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,780
constantly have them on in the

2568
01:38:58,610 --> 01:38:56,639
background I do an immense amount of re

2569
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,620
I get work done with audiobooks running

2570
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:01,320
in the background right so but I'm

2571
01:39:06,050 --> 01:39:03,480
telling you right now

2572
01:39:08,209 --> 01:39:06,060
so I I need two minutes

2573
01:39:10,129 --> 01:39:08,219
and if I don't dig the narrator if I

2574
01:39:11,570 --> 01:39:10,139
don't dig what's going on I go to the

2575
01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:11,580
next audiobook

2576
01:39:14,930 --> 01:39:13,320
it tells me try to give it long ago if

2577
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:14,940
the voice tone is what's telling me as

2578
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,900
opposed to the ones who feel like

2579
01:39:19,129 --> 01:39:17,760
they're just yeah you get some seriously

2580
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,139
because so you want to do audiobooks now

2581
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,360
and it's like this is not a good new you

2582
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:23,040
know this person's not you know and and

2583
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:24,480
it's no one sort of gives them as a post

2584
01:39:28,189 --> 01:39:26,340
that takes practice to get that public

2585
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:28,199
speaking voice or the ability to record

2586
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:30,420
your script but if if it's one of those

2587
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:31,440
things where they're not it's kind of

2588
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,280
like when someone sends you a book it

2589
01:39:35,209 --> 01:39:33,840
says can you review this sci-fi book for

2590
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,219
me and I don't do that anymore that's

2591
01:39:39,229 --> 01:39:36,960
because I got backlogs these things

2592
01:39:41,090 --> 01:39:39,239
these days but yeah first I'd say well

2593
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:41,100
if there's more than one typo on page

2594
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:41,880
one

2595
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:50,100
that that's that's why I'm jumping off

2596
01:39:53,290 --> 01:39:51,600
board whether or not the introduction's

2597
01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:53,300
horrible yeah

2598
01:39:58,010 --> 01:39:55,980
and kind of saying foreign if you're

2599
01:39:59,390 --> 01:39:58,020
starting off bad you're like when I'm

2600
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:59,400
recording scripts I was my little one

2601
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:01,260
intro line I'll add you on episodes I'll

2602
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:02,820
do that it's like five or six takes to

2603
01:40:06,110 --> 01:40:04,380
warm up my voice and I always go for the

2604
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:06,120
best take there most the best day it's

2605
01:40:10,850 --> 01:40:08,159
one take or two if I mess up that's it

2606
01:40:12,890 --> 01:40:10,860
yeah I gotta go to that good intro you

2607
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:12,900
know yeah I'm gonna take now it takes me

2608
01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:15,600
to get to the the good takes

2609
01:40:22,129 --> 01:40:19,080
it takes me about an hour

2610
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:22,139
of of getting warmed up and and but but

2611
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:26,280
one time on my stride boom done you know

2612
01:40:30,770 --> 01:40:27,840
I'll just go straight through it when

2613
01:40:33,050 --> 01:40:30,780
I'm doing TV you know I'll shoot you

2614
01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:33,060
know four five six episodes a day right

2615
01:40:38,570 --> 01:40:35,820
and you've got uh

2616
01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:38,580
you've got production you've got makeup

2617
01:40:42,410 --> 01:40:40,380
you've got wardrobe you've got lights

2618
01:40:45,050 --> 01:40:42,420
you've got audio you've got the director

2619
01:40:47,450 --> 01:40:45,060
you've got the camera people uh set

2620
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:47,460
decorators you've got this and you know

2621
01:40:58,970 --> 01:40:55,970
there's no retakes so I don't get a

2622
01:41:01,310 --> 01:40:58,980
chance to warm up by the time I get to

2623
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:01,320
That's it man you can't go to the end of

2624
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:02,820
the episode and go can we do that again

2625
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:06,000
what two hours you know so

2626
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:07,980
um I've got to be on my game and so by

2627
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:11,400
the time I'm at episode four dude I'm on

2628
01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:13,800
my stride and then I go back and

2629
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:16,380
whatever episode one was you could tell

2630
01:41:22,270 --> 01:41:20,100
you know I'm still warming up I I don't

2631
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,280
have the stamina for Walter Arrow things

2632
01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:24,960
yeah I can't wait you're gonna be on my

2633
01:41:28,010 --> 01:41:26,340
show I'm gonna bring you out I'm gonna

2634
01:41:30,530 --> 01:41:28,020
bring you out I'm gonna I'm gonna beat

2635
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:30,540
you up and it's gonna be great I want to

2636
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,980
get back to Matt Visser though for a

2637
01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:33,360
second

2638
01:41:40,370 --> 01:41:38,760
um if if Matt's uh original concept is

2639
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:40,380
even partially there there's like two

2640
01:41:46,970 --> 01:41:43,500
three four things that that are issues

2641
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,980
first off if that is the case where you

2642
01:41:52,490 --> 01:41:49,440
have a spider web of wormholes

2643
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,500
throughout the the universe that were

2644
01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:54,719
established from the creation of the

2645
01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:56,580
universe right that means it's expanding

2646
01:42:02,590 --> 01:41:59,100
with the universe they're there could

2647
01:42:07,609 --> 01:42:06,410
yes probably uh cosmic strings the tone

2648
01:42:09,169 --> 01:42:07,619
people don't hear as much now but it's

2649
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:09,179
really popular nowadays remember cosmic

2650
01:42:12,410 --> 01:42:10,800
strings those are the idea that when the

2651
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:12,420
universe was first expand I got you know

2652
01:42:16,669 --> 01:42:14,159
you got a sheet of aluminum foil

2653
01:42:18,169 --> 01:42:16,679
with using the sheet thing again if you

2654
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:18,179
cover that up and then lay it out flat

2655
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:19,440
again you're going to have those little

2656
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,820
lines of other words kind of like

2657
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:22,560
squiggled up that's a cosmic string

2658
01:42:25,490 --> 01:42:23,760
they're very dense they're you know

2659
01:42:27,169 --> 01:42:25,500
basically one-dimensional but light

2660
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:27,179
passing by those is absolutely going to

2661
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,320
go off like it's going around a black

2662
01:42:31,609 --> 01:42:30,480
hole or a large planet uh and those

2663
01:42:33,890 --> 01:42:31,619
would be a big sheet you should be able

2664
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:33,900
to text something like that uh how to

2665
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:35,400
image when it's something that's you

2666
01:42:39,050 --> 01:42:37,020
know in between Galaxies for instance it

2667
01:42:40,609 --> 01:42:39,060
might not be like a kilometer wide but

2668
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:40,619
with things like that yes you should be

2669
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:41,940
able to image something like that yes

2670
01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:44,100
you should be able to detectable holes

2671
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:46,020
if these things are out there you should

2672
01:42:49,729 --> 01:42:47,760
be able to see them

2673
01:42:51,649 --> 01:42:49,739
um the mouse should absolutely be as

2674
01:42:53,870 --> 01:42:51,659
visible as a black hole ever is yeah

2675
01:42:55,129 --> 01:42:53,880
that's about one horse is especially if

2676
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:55,139
they do collapsing yourself putting

2677
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,340
metal through them once they're formed

2678
01:42:59,570 --> 01:42:58,320
you need to keep that area very clear so

2679
01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:59,580
you're not sucking matter in which is

2680
01:43:01,790 --> 01:43:00,600
what these things are prone to doing

2681
01:43:03,229 --> 01:43:01,800
right

2682
01:43:05,149 --> 01:43:03,239
um you know you should be able to attack

2683
01:43:07,310 --> 01:43:05,159
them they shouldn't be hidden though

2684
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:07,320
it's important to remember a wormhole is

2685
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,639
not actually cutting a path through

2686
01:43:13,850 --> 01:43:11,040
normal space between point a and point B

2687
01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:13,860
so like there's not a line there's not a

2688
01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:15,960
highway three Alpha Centauri in here if

2689
01:43:18,649 --> 01:43:17,340
I spotted one point here it's going

2690
01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:18,659
through

2691
01:43:22,910 --> 01:43:21,239
another dimension

2692
01:43:28,250 --> 01:43:22,920
well

2693
01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:28,260
um uh if okay but let's stay Matt Visser

2694
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:31,020
because it was you that said cosmic

2695
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:34,500
strings and I believe that that was uh

2696
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:37,860
visser's way of uh I remember this

2697
01:43:41,570 --> 01:43:39,900
completely man I even remember some of

2698
01:43:43,370 --> 01:43:41,580
the illustrations uh that were

2699
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:43,380
theorizing when he was that's probably

2700
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:45,060
why I thought of it too but it was his

2701
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,560
problem is it is but he's back to think

2702
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:48,719
about that yeah well but but that's the

2703
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,460
way that he wanted us to understand that

2704
01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:52,560
that you know I say spider web but you

2705
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:55,739
get the idea yeah right so if if we're

2706
01:44:01,970 --> 01:43:58,159
talking about uh negative energy

2707
01:44:03,410 --> 01:44:01,980
inflating right you know keeping it uh

2708
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:03,420
uh

2709
01:44:11,570 --> 01:44:07,920
um from collapsing it is the negative

2710
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:11,580
okay so between the negative energy and

2711
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:15,900
space itself is there a membrane or is

2712
01:44:20,570 --> 01:44:18,480
it the negative energy and space just

2713
01:44:24,129 --> 01:44:20,580
touching up to each other there isn't a

2714
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:24,139
shell in between anything physical

2715
01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:26,460
uh there should be I mean you should

2716
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,380
have that space right there yeah

2717
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,480
um let's say speaking of Spotlight

2718
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,920
things every time we say that I'm

2719
01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:33,360
thinking of the actual way the Dark

2720
01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:35,219
Matter on Galaxy swarm I like brains and

2721
01:44:38,169 --> 01:44:37,020
walls and clusters but it looks like a

2722
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:38,179
bunch of neurons

2723
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:40,739
but I understand what I'm saying if

2724
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:43,500
negative energy comes up against space

2725
01:44:50,209 --> 01:44:46,560
if it's you know so we've got the shell

2726
01:44:52,010 --> 01:44:50,219
we've got the the negative shell what

2727
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:52,020
exactly is the allergies format there

2728
01:44:55,970 --> 01:44:54,060
because like positive energy it comes in

2729
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:55,980
forms what is the form of the negative

2730
01:45:00,770 --> 01:44:57,780
energy here are we talking negative Mass

2731
01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:00,780
right it is regular space same as mass

2732
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:03,420
does yeah exactly so if that's the case

2733
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,199
could that be imaged can you image a

2734
01:45:12,010 --> 01:45:09,600
negative something negative if we can't

2735
01:45:14,750 --> 01:45:12,020
see I don't know

2736
01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:14,760
let's say I did a big long pipe of

2737
01:45:18,830 --> 01:45:17,460
normal Mass to keep the string analogy a

2738
01:45:21,050 --> 01:45:18,840
big Shaggy entropy long one like

2739
01:45:22,669 --> 01:45:21,060
Galaxy's mass is worth a thing yes we

2740
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:22,679
can image that same as we can in Dark

2741
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,300
Matter it just bends light so much

2742
01:45:29,450 --> 01:45:27,119
that's positive Mass if it's negative

2743
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:29,460
mass and it's having the negative Mass

2744
01:45:34,129 --> 01:45:30,900
feature we usually assume of being

2745
01:45:36,290 --> 01:45:34,139
negative gravity or antigrant is called

2746
01:45:38,510 --> 01:45:36,300
anti-gravity then you share that same

2747
01:45:40,189 --> 01:45:38,520
effect only flipped around light should

2748
01:45:42,410 --> 01:45:40,199
bend away from it as opposed to being

2749
01:45:44,510 --> 01:45:42,420
down toward it and you should have that

2750
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:44,520
same gravitational lensing effect only

2751
01:45:49,550 --> 01:45:47,280
will be reversed and so then you can

2752
01:45:52,129 --> 01:45:49,560
actually be visible in quantity if it's

2753
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:52,139
diffuse though like does negative matter

2754
01:45:55,310 --> 01:45:54,000
of repel itself from normal matter in

2755
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,320
which case are we all Outside The

2756
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:57,360
ventricle active void does it repel

2757
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:59,219
other negative matter so that doesn't

2758
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:00,420
interact in which case it might be

2759
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,580
spread all over the same as dark matter

2760
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,560
that's it's not documental though that's

2761
01:46:07,970 --> 01:46:06,719
that's how we talk about this we don't

2762
01:46:11,149 --> 01:46:07,980
know what dark matter is but it's not

2763
01:46:16,850 --> 01:46:13,030
oh man

2764
01:46:18,350 --> 01:46:16,860
this is this is the point uh just from

2765
01:46:21,229 --> 01:46:18,360
that right there where I go let's let's

2766
01:46:22,250 --> 01:46:21,239
talk for two more hours let's go right

2767
01:46:25,310 --> 01:46:22,260
there

2768
01:46:27,129 --> 01:46:25,320
um but here is is what I think is uh the

2769
01:46:32,570 --> 01:46:27,139
most important point about all of this

2770
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,580
that if if Kip Thorne is right right if

2771
01:46:37,790 --> 01:46:35,520
uh tippler is right if if Matt Visser is

2772
01:46:40,370 --> 01:46:37,800
right if if John Wheeler is right if

2773
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:40,380
while is right if Einstein wrote Nathan

2774
01:46:46,609 --> 01:46:43,440
Rosen right if if if we put everything

2775
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:46,619
in Lenny we strength Lenny I'm sorry

2776
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:49,679
again uh but uh we just did it again

2777
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:52,320
if they are all correct

2778
01:46:59,390 --> 01:46:55,040
with what is happening today

2779
01:47:03,290 --> 01:46:59,400
Avi Loeb the Department of Defense uh

2780
01:47:05,330 --> 01:47:03,300
uap's objects in the sky defense budgets

2781
01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:05,340
being passed Pilots coming forward

2782
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,500
extraordinary things are being witnessed

2783
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:09,119
and videotapable

2784
01:47:14,090 --> 01:47:11,760
is it wormholes that answer that

2785
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:14,100
question about how they could be getting

2786
01:47:18,410 --> 01:47:16,139
here now we'll almost make everything

2787
01:47:19,970 --> 01:47:18,420
more complicated it's you think so I

2788
01:47:22,250 --> 01:47:19,980
want to pause the flame exacerbates

2789
01:47:23,570 --> 01:47:22,260
everything it won't be the kind of woman

2790
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:23,580
[\h__\h] we'll think you know they had to

2791
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:24,719
have found a way to make them way less

2792
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:27,119
massive otherwise if there was a wound

2793
01:47:30,890 --> 01:47:28,560
horn new enough to us to really make

2794
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,900
travel around the Galaxy easier in a

2795
01:47:35,390 --> 01:47:32,639
sense of you know do it in like years or

2796
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:35,400
days not you know centuries that would

2797
01:47:42,050 --> 01:47:38,639
mean there was some giant giant Wormhole

2798
01:47:43,609 --> 01:47:42,060
mouth out there massing mini solo masses

2799
01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:43,619
and you would see a black hole that

2800
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:44,760
massive it wouldn't technically be a

2801
01:47:47,810 --> 01:47:46,320
black hole but you'd still see that it

2802
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:47,820
would be having the fact we detect

2803
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:50,340
locally it was in you know a few dozen

2804
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,440
light years are you talking about a mass

2805
01:47:56,450 --> 01:47:54,960
the size of Jupiter no we'll talk about

2806
01:47:59,209 --> 01:47:56,460
something that's bullmastiff than our

2807
01:48:00,410 --> 01:47:59,219
sun I mean this idea was that you might

2808
01:48:01,729 --> 01:48:00,420
be able to do with something as small as

2809
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,739
a Jupiter Mass another thing that later

2810
01:48:05,450 --> 01:48:03,119
got revised by some people down to just

2811
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,460
a few hundred kilograms that's iffy but

2812
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:07,440
the original one that everyone thought

2813
01:48:11,450 --> 01:48:09,960
would take like 600 solar masses to

2814
01:48:12,850 --> 01:48:11,460
build uh one more

2815
01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:12,860
yeah

2816
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:15,420
600 Stars crammed together

2817
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:18,840
the one in interstellar wasn't that big

2818
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:21,119
oh yeah I thought golgantua was several

2819
01:48:27,229 --> 01:48:25,560
solar masses uh uh the one that that was

2820
01:48:29,290 --> 01:48:27,239
positioned between

2821
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,300
Earth and Saturn

2822
01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:31,920
no matter you're talking about

2823
01:48:35,090 --> 01:48:33,780
remembering the movie well enough to say

2824
01:48:36,770 --> 01:48:35,100
that but I'm sure you would have done

2825
01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:36,780
that because that would have but it

2826
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:38,280
wasn't that big it was like it was

2827
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:41,520
smaller than our moon no no that a black

2828
01:48:47,209 --> 01:48:43,320
hole that massive would be no not a

2829
01:48:49,729 --> 01:48:47,219
black hole the Wormhole oh yes yeah

2830
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,739
Isaac

2831
01:48:53,149 --> 01:48:51,360
but these memorized on these things is

2832
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,159
essentially the Wormhole mouth I just

2833
01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:55,860
corrected Isaac Arthur

2834
01:49:02,629 --> 01:48:58,380
I'm going to hell that's that's just

2835
01:49:05,689 --> 01:49:02,639
heresy man heresy um but but that that

2836
01:49:07,870 --> 01:49:05,699
was another aspect of this uh that I

2837
01:49:11,149 --> 01:49:07,880
found fascinating and also convenient

2838
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,159
that you would we did not know it was

2839
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:12,719
sitting out there and we couldn't see it

2840
01:49:16,910 --> 01:49:14,820
yeah and that could I mean you could

2841
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:16,920
actually have a assuming you didn't have

2842
01:49:20,090 --> 01:49:18,780
to have many solar mass as well so that

2843
01:49:22,669 --> 01:49:20,100
everything was orbiting it into the sun

2844
01:49:24,649 --> 01:49:22,679
let's say you got down to something not

2845
01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:24,659
quite Jupiter or Saturn mask but say

2846
01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:27,540
Mars Mass even today we could be missing

2847
01:49:30,649 --> 01:49:29,100
something of Mars mass that was

2848
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,659
condensed up like a black hole will be

2849
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,159
inside our solar system

2850
01:49:36,590 --> 01:49:35,040
if it was say cram inside a nice add

2851
01:49:37,790 --> 01:49:36,600
convenient asteroid or moon in one of

2852
01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:37,800
the other systems that was where the

2853
01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:40,260
gate was at we could miss that you know

2854
01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:43,080
because gravity is hard to really see

2855
01:49:46,970 --> 01:49:45,420
the effect of and usually when we're

2856
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,980
having like some kind of anomaly we just

2857
01:49:51,050 --> 01:49:48,480
say oh well it's noise we must be making

2858
01:49:52,729 --> 01:49:51,060
mistake you know you could easily have

2859
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:52,739
the mass estimate of Jupiter will be off

2860
01:49:57,649 --> 01:49:54,239
by a little bit because it was a black

2861
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:57,659
hole that was oh one Moon mass or the

2862
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:59,280
inside one of its moons that we were

2863
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,840
just assuming was part of the mass of

2864
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:03,119
Jupiter that's those kind of options

2865
01:50:06,830 --> 01:50:05,280
could get hidden you know if you're an

2866
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:06,840
alien trying to hide something from us

2867
01:50:10,189 --> 01:50:08,820
it's not that hard especially when

2868
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:10,199
you're not happy to be right next to

2869
01:50:17,209 --> 01:50:11,840
Earth

2870
01:50:18,649 --> 01:50:17,219
I remember uh uh I'm gonna say five six

2871
01:50:20,510 --> 01:50:18,659
years ago one of the first times you're

2872
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:20,520
on the show

2873
01:50:25,609 --> 01:50:22,820
um I had asked you

2874
01:50:27,530 --> 01:50:25,619
if uh if you believe that ET was

2875
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,540
visiting our planet and that was after

2876
01:50:33,169 --> 01:50:30,239
listening to the Fermi Paradox for three

2877
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:33,179
months uh your version

2878
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:35,760
um and and all of your brilliant

2879
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,320
presentations and they are they're

2880
01:50:41,930 --> 01:50:39,119
they're they're just brilliant thank you

2881
01:50:46,129 --> 01:50:41,940
and but

2882
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:46,139
you said nah nah nah nah I said Isaac

2883
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:48,840
this is all you talk about yeah I know

2884
01:50:54,290 --> 01:50:51,060
but nah yeah

2885
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,300
as as your view changed on that

2886
01:50:59,390 --> 01:50:57,119
it's changed but more of a limited sense

2887
01:51:01,070 --> 01:50:59,400
I think I let myself get more familiar

2888
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:01,080
with a lot of things like the Navy UFOs

2889
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,440
though only to a certain point because

2890
01:51:07,010 --> 01:51:05,520
the stuff I'm looking at is well the

2891
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:07,020
angle of what would it be at more of a

2892
01:51:11,689 --> 01:51:09,119
cosmic level if if all science and

2893
01:51:15,050 --> 01:51:11,699
theory is like now right for things like

2894
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:15,060
that it really boils down to if aliens

2895
01:51:19,129 --> 01:51:17,040
exist anywhere nearby us and you know

2896
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:19,139
Stellar travel is possible then they

2897
01:51:23,209 --> 01:51:21,480
came in a story if you show me a live

2898
01:51:25,490 --> 01:51:23,219
alien transmission from you inside this

2899
01:51:27,890 --> 01:51:25,500
galaxy I'm going to assume aliens have

2900
01:51:29,390 --> 01:51:27,900
been here so many times it's insane of

2901
01:51:30,890 --> 01:51:29,400
course they would be why wouldn't you

2902
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:30,900
you're not going to hold your crime

2903
01:51:34,970 --> 01:51:33,119
director for Yarns so if you find life

2904
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:34,980
inside the Galaxy assume that they came

2905
01:51:38,209 --> 01:51:37,500
and visited at some point you know

2906
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:38,219
um

2907
01:51:41,870 --> 01:51:39,900
either that is one of those factors in

2908
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,880
play where it's like well you wish they

2909
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:43,679
did because it turns out all life wipes

2910
01:51:48,169 --> 01:51:46,320
itself out before it gets you know I

2911
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,179
know that's the issue man that's the

2912
01:51:53,810 --> 01:51:51,119
issue we have to survive this is what

2913
01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:53,820
this is the deal for us to even enjoy

2914
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:57,179
you know Interstellar stuff ourselves we

2915
01:52:03,169 --> 01:52:01,199
do have to survive uh solar flares we

2916
01:52:05,330 --> 01:52:03,179
have to uh survive our own

2917
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:05,340
self-destruction with nuclear weapons we

2918
01:52:10,609 --> 01:52:08,219
have to survive uh pandemics and plagues

2919
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:10,619
and we also have to survive in Alien

2920
01:52:17,390 --> 01:52:13,920
Invasion or two right we have to get

2921
01:52:20,750 --> 01:52:17,400
through all of that right and and and

2922
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:20,760
you would have to presume that all

2923
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:23,280
extraterrestrial Advanced civilizations

2924
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:26,280
out there have gone through and will

2925
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:27,780
continue to go through the exact same

2926
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,460
things we have so many things from

2927
01:52:32,270 --> 01:52:30,960
science fiction that become cliche about

2928
01:52:33,709 --> 01:52:32,280
you know basically try and explain the

2929
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,719
form of paradox that don't make sense

2930
01:52:37,550 --> 01:52:36,239
and I say to me there's two scenarios

2931
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:37,560
that make sense either they visit a lot

2932
01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:38,639
and we just

2933
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:40,860
suffer from a like a horrible mind

2934
01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,300
glitch of just not wanting to admit that

2935
01:52:45,890 --> 01:52:44,460
they do and I say we by me and I know

2936
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:45,900
obviously a lot of listeners now are not

2937
01:52:50,570 --> 01:52:48,960
included in that video uh and or they

2938
01:52:51,890 --> 01:52:50,580
all like the way my usual with is the

2939
01:52:53,209 --> 01:52:51,900
idea that they probably don't exist in

2940
01:52:55,070 --> 01:52:53,219
this galaxy on a neighboring Galaxy

2941
01:52:57,590 --> 01:52:55,080
they're very far away if they exist at

2942
01:52:59,810 --> 01:52:57,600
all all the ones in between that do not

2943
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,820
make much sense to me why yeah well they

2944
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:00,960
wouldn't visit Oh I thought this was

2945
01:53:05,950 --> 01:53:02,760
boring Kansas is boring millions of

2946
01:53:11,050 --> 01:53:07,669
they don't want to interfere with us

2947
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:14,330
they don't visit Ohio is what they don't

2948
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:17,040
visit so the

2949
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:19,920
uh but but but here's the other part

2950
01:53:26,209 --> 01:53:23,280
though and this is where for me aside

2951
01:53:28,129 --> 01:53:26,219
from my own sightings and and that right

2952
01:53:30,770 --> 01:53:28,139
there I don't know what's going on but

2953
01:53:34,930 --> 01:53:30,780
it forces me to go and try to find out

2954
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:34,940
I've seen crazy stuff real daylight date

2955
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:38,639
ginormous don't tell me I didn't see it

2956
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:40,980
I'm not you or uh Isaac but you know

2957
01:53:44,510 --> 01:53:42,480
anybody

2958
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:44,520
um wow that sounded cool

2959
01:53:47,530 --> 01:53:46,380
it rang

2960
01:53:49,450 --> 01:53:47,540
okay

2961
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:49,460
[Laughter]

2962
01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:51,540
people say he's like well you know I

2963
01:53:54,109 --> 01:53:53,100
know you see I didn't see who I saw I

2964
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:54,119
was like I don't know what you saw I

2965
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:56,040
don't yeah I don't know what I saw but I

2966
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:57,119
sent you this photo what's this look

2967
01:54:04,129 --> 01:54:00,960
like to you a DOT a white dot and I I

2968
01:54:07,490 --> 01:54:04,139
don't know what that is but then you go

2969
01:54:10,189 --> 01:54:07,500
to somebody like David fravor right or

2970
01:54:15,709 --> 01:54:10,199
Alex Dietrich Ryan Graves you know and

2971
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:15,719
and and you go to them that where if if

2972
01:54:24,350 --> 01:54:19,760
we just take a professional pilot like

2973
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:24,360
David fravor and you extrapolate his

2974
01:54:30,350 --> 01:54:27,900
comments in just the basic form right it

2975
01:54:33,229 --> 01:54:30,360
didn't have wings it was white it was

2976
01:54:35,570 --> 01:54:33,239
shaped like a giant Tic Tac and I was

2977
01:54:37,609 --> 01:54:35,580
chasing it and flew around in a circle

2978
01:54:40,729 --> 01:54:37,619
and then it started chasing me and then

2979
01:54:43,850 --> 01:54:40,739
it took off and disappeared it went from

2980
01:54:47,149 --> 01:54:43,860
80 000 feet to sea level in a fraction

2981
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:47,159
of a second without a song like boom

2982
01:54:51,169 --> 01:54:49,920
without any gravitational effects or

2983
01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:51,179
anything I think there's a very real

2984
01:54:55,070 --> 01:54:52,739
chance that that's exactly what that

2985
01:54:57,290 --> 01:54:55,080
really did do too I

2986
01:54:59,149 --> 01:54:57,300
but to me that's another jump they ought

2987
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,159
to assume that it was any particular

2988
01:55:03,050 --> 01:55:01,440
type of alien it might have been alien

2989
01:55:05,570 --> 01:55:03,060
it would I mean that's a valid

2990
01:55:07,310 --> 01:55:05,580
hypothesis you can't no there's no way

2991
01:55:08,290 --> 01:55:07,320
it was aliens I mean there's no way it

2992
01:55:11,810 --> 01:55:08,300
was done

2993
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,820
I don't know what it was it's a gigantic

2994
01:55:15,709 --> 01:55:13,440
universe that most scientists believe

2995
01:55:18,250 --> 01:55:15,719
probably has life in some way or maybe

2996
01:55:25,250 --> 01:55:23,689
if we go back uh to financial but if we

2997
01:55:28,129 --> 01:55:25,260
go back to the start of you know like

2998
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:28,139
science and futurism right and and we

2999
01:55:36,350 --> 01:55:32,400
let's let's go back to say 2013 2014. at

3000
01:55:38,450 --> 01:55:36,360
that time we were still counting you

3001
01:55:41,629 --> 01:55:38,460
know we're at say a thousand exoplanets

3002
01:55:45,129 --> 01:55:41,639
at that time or maybe less actually I

3003
01:55:54,050 --> 01:55:50,990
and and uh the the star count in our uh

3004
01:55:57,050 --> 01:55:54,060
Milky Way isn't what it is today we are

3005
01:55:59,689 --> 01:55:57,060
still continuing to map and figure out

3006
01:56:01,490 --> 01:55:59,699
our own Milky Way let alone most common

3007
01:56:02,870 --> 01:56:01,500
types of stars are the dimmest types of

3008
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:02,880
stars and they're the hottest ones to

3009
01:56:10,370 --> 01:56:06,719
see in case what's the sea and now today

3010
01:56:12,530 --> 01:56:10,380
um uh I was uh uh out to dinner uh with

3011
01:56:15,410 --> 01:56:12,540
Avi Loeb a couple of months ago and

3012
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,420
we're sitting at this table and Avi and

3013
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,520
I and it's a tough thing to do to get in

3014
01:56:21,169 --> 01:56:19,440
an argument with Avi lobe trust me we're

3015
01:56:24,250 --> 01:56:21,179
sitting there and we were talking about

3016
01:56:28,250 --> 01:56:24,260
the amount of planets in the Milky Way

3017
01:56:30,530 --> 01:56:28,260
and and I was saying uh you know uh

3018
01:56:34,129 --> 01:56:30,540
there's probably 500 billion he goes oh

3019
01:56:35,689 --> 01:56:34,139
no no no yeah trillions trillions I said

3020
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:35,699
well there's probably you know 40

3021
01:56:39,250 --> 01:56:38,280
billion Rocky Earth no no no no no no no

3022
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,260
no no

3023
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:42,239
250 billion or probably more than

3024
01:56:46,490 --> 01:56:44,100
precise so it depends on how you know

3025
01:56:48,530 --> 01:56:46,500
how close is Earth you know but my point

3026
01:56:51,890 --> 01:56:48,540
right right in the Goldilocks home but

3027
01:56:55,370 --> 01:56:51,900
my point being these are numbers that

3028
01:56:57,709 --> 01:56:55,380
are freaking huge that that weren't

3029
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:57,719
talked about or contemplated

3030
01:57:02,030 --> 01:57:00,000
when he started science and futurism I

3031
01:57:03,229 --> 01:57:02,040
think contemplates exactly well talked

3032
01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:03,239
about in complicated because they to

3033
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,100
some degree they were when I was a kid

3034
01:57:08,510 --> 01:57:06,960
we only knew there was 100 billion ish

3035
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,520
stars in the galaxy we figured at least

3036
01:57:12,890 --> 01:57:10,080
a billion of them probably had plants

3037
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,900
and surely a good portion of those were

3038
01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:15,119
off like they really did I think it was

3039
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:17,699
Millions if not billions but it was too

3040
01:57:21,050 --> 01:57:19,920
huge to discuss like when people say how

3041
01:57:23,089 --> 01:57:21,060
many people could the population support

3042
01:57:24,649 --> 01:57:23,099
what does civilization look like it's

3043
01:57:26,930 --> 01:57:24,659
too huge for the brain to Encompass at

3044
01:57:28,850 --> 01:57:26,940
that stage right right and but those

3045
01:57:32,750 --> 01:57:28,860
were all theories we're talking about

3046
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,760
confirmation now right and and that you

3047
01:57:35,450 --> 01:57:34,080
need that generational cycle to be able

3048
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:35,460
to start actually contemplating this

3049
01:57:38,930 --> 01:57:37,199
stuff it's it's like looking at fiction

3050
01:57:41,330 --> 01:57:38,940
from the early 1930s when it's not

3051
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:41,340
having how big the universe really is

3052
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:43,320
yeah you know things like Lovecraft for

3053
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,599
instance and they start saying my God

3054
01:57:49,970 --> 01:57:48,360
this place is huge and it stops being

3055
01:57:52,490 --> 01:57:49,980
numbers numbers don't mean anything

3056
01:57:54,109 --> 01:57:52,500
numbers gigantic numbers that only mean

3057
01:57:56,450 --> 01:57:54,119
something to a scientists right

3058
01:57:59,209 --> 01:57:56,460
actually trying to absorb that complaint

3059
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,219
that and say wow this is what that would

3060
01:58:02,209 --> 01:58:00,960
be implied by that and that's where the

3061
01:58:04,189 --> 01:58:02,219
funny products comes in because it's

3062
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,199
like the Galaxy just the Galaxy is huge

3063
01:58:07,790 --> 01:58:06,000
and but you're fast and I travel you're

3064
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:07,800
not limited to the Galaxy you don't even

3065
01:58:11,270 --> 01:58:09,360
live into it if that is you'll if you're

3066
01:58:12,410 --> 01:58:11,280
limited to it but you can do the

3067
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,420
intergalactic colonization without

3068
01:58:17,209 --> 01:58:14,880
professional technology but if you got

3069
01:58:19,490 --> 01:58:17,219
it then you have 100 billion galaxies

3070
01:58:21,470 --> 01:58:19,500
too each with 100 billion stars or

3071
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:21,480
whatever the number turns out to be in

3072
01:58:25,310 --> 01:58:24,000
that zone and that's even assuming you

3073
01:58:26,450 --> 01:58:25,320
don't come from outside the absorber

3074
01:58:28,490 --> 01:58:26,460
Universe which you should be able to do

3075
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:28,500
at that point since we think it goes on

3076
01:58:33,649 --> 01:58:31,199
past that area or if I'm another

3077
01:58:35,689 --> 01:58:33,659
dimension or another you know Mini World

3078
01:58:37,850 --> 01:58:35,699
scenario these things get huge you say

3079
01:58:39,410 --> 01:58:37,860
how is it that no one's coming to visit

3080
01:58:40,970 --> 01:58:39,420
us and that's the thing I want to say

3081
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:40,980
about the foyer pass there is no good

3082
01:58:45,649 --> 01:58:43,739
answer yet because I cannot think of any

3083
01:58:47,209 --> 01:58:45,659
sane reason why life would be so

3084
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:47,219
insanely rare

3085
01:58:50,990 --> 01:58:49,440
that it wouldn't be you know that they

3086
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,000
couldn't see us interact with us in some

3087
01:58:54,770 --> 01:58:53,040
way and at the same time I can't see

3088
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:54,780
them acting like they seem to do and we

3089
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:57,119
not you know we just be missing them you

3090
01:59:00,649 --> 01:58:58,800
know and again obviously I don't want to

3091
01:59:02,270 --> 01:59:00,659
say we are missing them I'm in a

3092
01:59:04,129 --> 01:59:02,280
minority at the moments of folks saying

3093
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:04,139
that but

3094
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:06,000
um but

3095
01:59:14,030 --> 01:59:09,599
um I would I would think

3096
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:14,040
um that if you just merely played the

3097
01:59:18,250 --> 01:59:16,080
numbers and we're just in a numbers game

3098
01:59:21,169 --> 01:59:18,260
just in a numbers game

3099
01:59:24,350 --> 01:59:21,179
with what we are doing today like you

3100
01:59:27,649 --> 01:59:24,360
and I discussing this astronomers radio

3101
01:59:31,129 --> 01:59:27,659
telescopes uh the James Webb all we are

3102
01:59:32,810 --> 01:59:31,139
doing like focused on is searching for

3103
01:59:35,810 --> 01:59:32,820
life and searching for planets right

3104
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:35,820
that's what we're doing well they are

3105
01:59:40,970 --> 01:59:38,760
doing the exact same thing and if

3106
01:59:43,729 --> 01:59:40,980
they're worth anything

3107
01:59:47,450 --> 01:59:43,739
they know that this big beautiful blue

3108
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:47,460
gem teeming with life exist yeah yeah

3109
01:59:51,530 --> 01:59:49,199
not because you're setting radio waves

3110
01:59:52,910 --> 01:59:51,540
out the planet was visible you'd say

3111
01:59:54,770 --> 01:59:52,920
well they only just reached out to us

3112
01:59:57,050 --> 01:59:54,780
now you know wait till people send a

3113
01:59:58,490 --> 01:59:57,060
signal out you can see I mean you could

3114
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:58,500
detect that there was Intelligence on

3115
02:00:02,450 --> 02:00:00,000
this planet from let's say a satellite

3116
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,460
centuries or centuries ago but you could

3117
02:00:06,109 --> 02:00:03,840
detect that there was life here from the

3118
02:00:09,109 --> 02:00:06,119
atmosphere of what two billion years ago

3119
02:00:10,609 --> 02:00:09,119
for the oxygen sure yeah and that's when

3120
02:00:11,570 --> 02:00:10,619
they saw us they want to wipe us out

3121
02:00:13,250 --> 02:00:11,580
that you know anyone's around there

3122
02:00:15,470 --> 02:00:13,260
could have done it already no we had to

3123
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:15,480
do it you're right though we had a

3124
02:00:20,209 --> 02:00:18,239
detectable biosphere for two two billion

3125
02:00:21,709 --> 02:00:20,219
years and you can't hide you know

3126
02:00:23,149 --> 02:00:21,719
because you have to hide backwards well

3127
02:00:24,410 --> 02:00:23,159
okay I'm sorry we did do an episode

3128
02:00:26,629 --> 02:00:24,420
where we looked the idea that you might

3129
02:00:28,910 --> 02:00:26,639
go back and hide your civilization back

3130
02:00:31,490 --> 02:00:28,920
in time but that shouldn't work out very

3131
02:00:32,990 --> 02:00:31,500
well following Temple of paradoxes

3132
02:00:34,370 --> 02:00:33,000
you're stuck with the fact that everyone

3133
02:00:36,169 --> 02:00:34,380
could see your planet billions of years

3134
02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:36,179
before you existed to do cloaking

3135
02:00:42,589 --> 02:00:39,119
technology and one of the one of my uh

3136
02:00:45,410 --> 02:00:42,599
uh answers to the Fermi Paradox is that

3137
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:45,420
uh this is a very serious one I'm sure

3138
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:47,760
that you've touched upon this but this

3139
02:00:55,250 --> 02:00:51,900
is this is one of my uh resolutions uh

3140
02:00:56,990 --> 02:00:55,260
to it is you know what you get to a

3141
02:01:00,169 --> 02:00:57,000
certain point

3142
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,179
where in your age

3143
02:01:03,530 --> 02:01:02,400
you Isaac you're going to get to a

3144
02:01:05,689 --> 02:01:03,540
certain point where you're going to go

3145
02:01:08,750 --> 02:01:05,699
you know what screw everybody

3146
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:08,760
I just want to go live alone right I'm

3147
02:01:11,770 --> 02:01:10,560
gonna go live on a mountain with no

3148
02:01:15,290 --> 02:01:11,780
telephone

3149
02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:15,300
and I don't want any contact

3150
02:01:21,229 --> 02:01:18,480
and that same you know that same idea

3151
02:01:22,910 --> 02:01:21,239
that same mindset could be with an

3152
02:01:24,950 --> 02:01:22,920
advanced civilization where they're like

3153
02:01:27,950 --> 02:01:24,960
you know what nah man

3154
02:01:32,089 --> 02:01:27,960
we want nobody to know about our

3155
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:32,099
beautiful planet period we're okay

3156
02:01:36,229 --> 02:01:34,980
it could be individually tilted that way

3157
02:01:38,149 --> 02:01:36,239
you could have a bias in that direction

3158
02:01:39,950 --> 02:01:38,159
like the only civilizations that last

3159
02:01:41,390 --> 02:01:39,960
very long are the ones that are content

3160
02:01:44,750 --> 02:01:41,400
to go sit on a mountain for a million

3161
02:01:46,609 --> 02:01:44,760
years around too much the loud aliens

3162
02:01:48,169 --> 02:01:46,619
versus quiet aliens one of the three

3163
02:01:50,330 --> 02:01:48,179
factors they are they had to expand

3164
02:01:51,770 --> 02:01:50,340
quick they got to be you know loudly

3165
02:01:53,089 --> 02:01:51,780
affecting things and they always they

3166
02:01:55,250 --> 02:01:53,099
have to leave a footprint

3167
02:01:56,870 --> 02:01:55,260
they have to change the space they go

3168
02:01:59,270 --> 02:01:56,880
through they don't do that they're not

3169
02:02:01,490 --> 02:01:59,280
allowed alien we wouldn't see them yeah

3170
02:02:03,050 --> 02:02:01,500
yeah you know how much that's it's big

3171
02:02:04,430 --> 02:02:03,060
change too okay call Chef level

3172
02:02:05,629 --> 02:02:04,440
engineering to really be able to do that

3173
02:02:07,070 --> 02:02:05,639
because we don't see if they've done

3174
02:02:09,470 --> 02:02:07,080
something really tiny on the Stars right

3175
02:02:10,910 --> 02:02:09,480
now but it's hard to predict how that

3176
02:02:12,290 --> 02:02:10,920
would go it's like I've had phases where

3177
02:02:14,629 --> 02:02:12,300
I didn't want to talk though we can't

3178
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,639
see what civilization will stay the same

3179
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:16,800
over millions of years I've had my homo

3180
02:02:20,450 --> 02:02:19,080
phases I at the moment I'm loving being

3181
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:20,460
married and having just adopted three

3182
02:02:25,310 --> 02:02:22,560
kids it's great it's I never sleep

3183
02:02:27,169 --> 02:02:25,320
anymore but you know I'm sure that I

3184
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:27,179
will enjoy having a home and facing at

3185
02:02:31,250 --> 02:02:28,639
some points we'll call that a vacation

3186
02:02:33,709 --> 02:02:31,260
now I was talking to Isaac earlier today

3187
02:02:35,629 --> 02:02:33,719
and I'm listening to the action going on

3188
02:02:39,470 --> 02:02:35,639
in the background I'm like man what the

3189
02:02:42,350 --> 02:02:39,480
heck what's going on over there

3190
02:02:44,030 --> 02:02:42,360
um did you see and if you haven't but

3191
02:02:45,790 --> 02:02:44,040
you're a science fiction guy have you

3192
02:02:48,290 --> 02:02:45,800
seen valerian

3193
02:02:50,030 --> 02:02:48,300
in the city of a thousands is that the

3194
02:02:51,770 --> 02:02:50,040
one I'm thinking of

3195
02:02:53,390 --> 02:02:51,780
I actually can't if I've seen it or the

3196
02:02:54,770 --> 02:02:53,400
spoiler voice sometimes I'll just watch

3197
02:02:57,709 --> 02:02:54,780
like how it should have ended versions

3198
02:02:59,870 --> 02:02:57,719
okay forget that okay that's you need to

3199
02:03:01,850 --> 02:02:59,880
go and watch it and watch it three or

3200
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,860
four it's a fantastic Luke pesan doesn't

3201
02:03:06,890 --> 02:03:04,560
play it's it's a great film but here's

3202
02:03:10,430 --> 02:03:06,900
one of the concepts behind it and the

3203
02:03:14,149 --> 02:03:10,440
opening scene uh set to uh David uh

3204
02:03:16,430 --> 02:03:14,159
Bowie's Space Oddity uh with uh with all

3205
02:03:18,589 --> 02:03:16,440
of the um that's it just watch the

3206
02:03:22,490 --> 02:03:18,599
beginning too as well anyway so it's

3207
02:03:25,570 --> 02:03:22,500
based around this planet called moo

3208
02:03:28,850 --> 02:03:25,580
mu that was blown up and destroyed

3209
02:03:30,770 --> 02:03:28,860
because of an Intergalactic war that was

3210
02:03:32,450 --> 02:03:30,780
going on outside of it nothing to do

3211
02:03:35,570 --> 02:03:32,460
with the planet

3212
02:03:37,970 --> 02:03:35,580
okay the planet was just a bunch of

3213
02:03:40,250 --> 02:03:37,980
advanced uh

3214
02:03:43,189 --> 02:03:40,260
uh uh beings

3215
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:43,199
that were just living on at Harmony with

3216
02:03:47,570 --> 02:03:44,639
the with nature

3217
02:03:50,930 --> 02:03:47,580
very Advanced very smart you know but

3218
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:50,940
they they didn't interact right they

3219
02:03:56,689 --> 02:03:54,960
were just behaving and then this battle

3220
02:03:59,930 --> 02:03:56,699
goes on outside of the planet and the

3221
02:04:02,570 --> 02:03:59,940
planet gets blown up and that's that's

3222
02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:02,580
another they probably just wanted to be

3223
02:04:06,649 --> 02:04:03,679
left alone

3224
02:04:08,930 --> 02:04:06,659
and and I could I could I could actually

3225
02:04:11,089 --> 02:04:08,940
see that that yeah really easy too but

3226
02:04:13,189 --> 02:04:11,099
the problem is what comes up is if you

3227
02:04:14,990 --> 02:04:13,199
if you clock away to the top of Darwin's

3228
02:04:18,169 --> 02:04:15,000
messy little corpse pile that we call

3229
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:18,179
you know the food chain you usually got

3230
02:04:23,810 --> 02:04:21,719
there by not being too passive or not

3231
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:23,820
being too uh you know uh you're

3232
02:04:27,770 --> 02:04:26,400
proactive and the thing is you know

3233
02:04:29,089 --> 02:04:27,780
someone's gonna come by and you say I

3234
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:29,099
would like to be left alone and say so

3235
02:04:33,050 --> 02:04:30,300
does the mouse the mouse wants to be

3236
02:04:35,149 --> 02:04:33,060
left alone too you cannot approach you

3237
02:04:36,649 --> 02:04:35,159
know you cannot get there and say I'm

3238
02:04:38,570 --> 02:04:36,659
sure every civilization out there in the

3239
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:38,580
galaxy is going to leave me be

3240
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:41,040
because

3241
02:04:44,689 --> 02:04:42,719
why would you have any expectation that

3242
02:04:46,250 --> 02:04:44,699
they would I mean they don't I don't

3243
02:04:48,410 --> 02:04:46,260
think that things could get you know you

3244
02:04:50,270 --> 02:04:48,420
have to be really you don't have to be

3245
02:04:52,129 --> 02:04:50,280
you probably are inclined towards

3246
02:04:53,930 --> 02:04:52,139
somewhat diplomatic approaches to life

3247
02:04:55,490 --> 02:04:53,940
the universe and everything when you've

3248
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:55,500
actually climbed up through nuclear

3249
02:04:57,950 --> 02:04:57,119
technology because otherwise you

3250
02:04:59,870 --> 02:04:57,960
probably would not have finished

3251
02:05:01,609 --> 02:04:59,880
climbing you'd be you know scattered

3252
02:05:03,050 --> 02:05:01,619
around your planet as a time of gashes

3253
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:03,060
but at the same time that doesn't

3254
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:04,080
necessarily mean that you're terribly

3255
02:05:07,729 --> 02:05:06,000
nice and if there's some Ward out there

3256
02:05:08,990 --> 02:05:07,739
that's just saying hey we we love you

3257
02:05:10,970 --> 02:05:09,000
with space hours we want to give you

3258
02:05:12,410 --> 02:05:10,980
hugs come join us friends and someone

3259
02:05:14,510 --> 02:05:12,420
says yeah that's great you know what

3260
02:05:15,950 --> 02:05:14,520
we'd also like to do we'd like to have

3261
02:05:19,390 --> 02:05:15,960
that concept there would you give it to

3262
02:05:23,870 --> 02:05:21,709
friendship I mean these giant guns that

3263
02:05:26,290 --> 02:05:23,880
we'd like to Lad there too

3264
02:05:29,209 --> 02:05:26,300
space cannibals right

3265
02:05:31,970 --> 02:05:29,219
you know come on in have dinner with us

3266
02:05:33,890 --> 02:05:31,980
we're going to fatten you up you know

3267
02:05:35,149 --> 02:05:33,900
it's about protecting you we want to put

3268
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:35,159
some defenses away because we got

3269
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:37,199
enemies out there that would kill you I

3270
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:39,599
mean they're just nasty nastier than I

3271
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:41,280
said we thought about killing you but we

3272
02:05:44,750 --> 02:05:42,480
like to put some space guns around your

3273
02:05:46,609 --> 02:05:44,760
planet to help protect you you know it's

3274
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,619
it's hard for me to imagine that you'd

3275
02:05:49,850 --> 02:05:48,480
actually have civilizations that that

3276
02:05:54,109 --> 02:05:49,860
really thought they could get away with

3277
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,119
doing the entirely peaceful because we

3278
02:05:57,770 --> 02:05:56,159
say all I want to do is left on peace to

3279
02:05:58,850 --> 02:05:57,780
think we say well these giant minds they

3280
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:58,860
just want to sit there and meditate and

3281
02:06:02,390 --> 02:06:00,719
contemplate with a small thing really

3282
02:06:03,470 --> 02:06:02,400
smart and so they got another thing

3283
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:03,480
that's most likely you know about their

3284
02:06:06,830 --> 02:06:04,800
meditations there's someone coming by

3285
02:06:08,030 --> 02:06:06,840
and knocking on the door to try to sell

3286
02:06:10,189 --> 02:06:08,040
them something you know or take their

3287
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:10,199
stuff or just say hello so they're going

3288
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:13,199
to have to spend some effort making sure

3289
02:06:17,089 --> 02:06:15,599
that they actually get left alone and

3290
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:17,099
you know say if you want people to stay

3291
02:06:20,330 --> 02:06:18,480
out of your territory for instance say

3292
02:06:21,649 --> 02:06:20,340
well they hide what's the best way to

3293
02:06:23,689 --> 02:06:21,659
keep people off your front lawn but no

3294
02:06:25,070 --> 02:06:23,699
trespassing's on because you just hide

3295
02:06:26,089 --> 02:06:25,080
people are going to come by anyway

3296
02:06:27,290 --> 02:06:26,099
because oh you're there and they're

3297
02:06:28,970 --> 02:06:27,300
gonna say well this is looks you know

3298
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:28,980
what a beautiful pastor this is the

3299
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:30,480
grass is so green I like the build here

3300
02:06:34,189 --> 02:06:32,400
so you put aside I'm telling people no

3301
02:06:35,990 --> 02:06:34,199
this is mine already because well some

3302
02:06:37,250 --> 02:06:36,000
people might try to take it anyway it's

3303
02:06:38,450 --> 02:06:37,260
easy on starting a five with every

3304
02:06:40,250 --> 02:06:38,460
person who kills but I think he has an

3305
02:06:42,350 --> 02:06:40,260
occupant and takes it you know that's

3306
02:06:44,030 --> 02:06:42,360
why things mock the territory in nature

3307
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:44,040
you lose the stealth Advantage but you

3308
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:45,599
don't have to fight quite so many fights

3309
02:06:49,850 --> 02:06:46,800
that might not point out the way you'd

3310
02:06:52,669 --> 02:06:49,860
like them to yeah um oh the no

3311
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:52,679
trespassing sign works yeah it doesn't

3312
02:06:57,649 --> 02:06:55,679
work a hundred percent but it is a good

3313
02:06:59,689 --> 02:06:57,659
diversion for sure you got that

3314
02:07:01,790 --> 02:06:59,699
Civilization and the Enterprise shows up

3315
02:07:03,290 --> 02:07:01,800
one day and says well we hide here and

3316
02:07:05,330 --> 02:07:03,300
you know territory wouldn't blow you up

3317
02:07:06,950 --> 02:07:05,340
so let's say that succeeded someone's

3318
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:06,960
eventually going to go send by a scout

3319
02:07:09,950 --> 02:07:08,400
Fleet to find out what happened you blow

3320
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,960
them up to eventually they're gonna send

3321
02:07:14,050 --> 02:07:12,000
an armada out there to say hey what

3322
02:07:16,430 --> 02:07:14,060
happened to our stuff

3323
02:07:18,470 --> 02:07:16,440
and we'd like to discuss things with you

3324
02:07:20,990 --> 02:07:18,480
about that we'd like to discuss them

3325
02:07:24,530 --> 02:07:21,000
in depth so you know we have a lot of

3326
02:07:26,089 --> 02:07:24,540
guns too you know what I was I wanted to

3327
02:07:28,430 --> 02:07:26,099
talk a little bit about Consciousness

3328
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:28,440
tonight we're we're already past that

3329
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:29,880
and we're at the end of the show and

3330
02:07:34,010 --> 02:07:32,400
we've gone gone past everything and but

3331
02:07:36,530 --> 02:07:34,020
I do want to invite you back and and

3332
02:07:38,570 --> 02:07:36,540
discuss Consciousness I actually want to

3333
02:07:41,930 --> 02:07:38,580
leave on on one note since we're talking

3334
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:41,940
about uh contact right now with ET there

3335
02:07:46,490 --> 02:07:43,920
is

3336
02:07:48,010 --> 02:07:46,500
um and I'm talking about quote in the

3337
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:48,020
New York Times

3338
02:07:55,070 --> 02:07:52,800
uh comments from uh uh political

3339
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:55,080
insiders and movers and shakers of of

3340
02:08:02,810 --> 02:07:58,639
the highest caliber there are comments

3341
02:08:06,410 --> 02:08:02,820
that the Senate was briefed

3342
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:06,420
with sentences like

3343
02:08:11,810 --> 02:08:09,360
we are in possession of craft not made

3344
02:08:14,089 --> 02:08:11,820
on this earth right this has been told

3345
02:08:16,490 --> 02:08:14,099
to the Senate intelligence committee now

3346
02:08:19,729 --> 02:08:16,500
when stuff like that and this has been

3347
02:08:22,729 --> 02:08:19,739
repeated and this is you know these

3348
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:22,739
sources I'm assuming that the New York

3349
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:26,159
Times and and others are are confident

3350
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:27,840
in their sources and are vetting these

3351
02:08:34,370 --> 02:08:30,920
sources but when these comments are made

3352
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:34,380
uh what what goes through your mind and

3353
02:08:37,850 --> 02:08:35,520
do you think that the Senate

3354
02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:37,860
intelligence committee is sitting there

3355
02:08:41,149 --> 02:08:39,599
you know taking notes going okay so

3356
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,159
we've got craft

3357
02:08:44,810 --> 02:08:43,199
okay we need to go check that out that's

3358
02:08:47,450 --> 02:08:44,820
being backwards engineering Zeta

3359
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:47,460
reticula he said okay let's uh let's get

3360
02:08:52,010 --> 02:08:48,960
that down too

3361
02:08:54,169 --> 02:08:52,020
um when when this is being bandied about

3362
02:08:57,290 --> 02:08:54,179
Through official media sources and

3363
02:09:00,050 --> 02:08:57,300
quoted and attributed back to the Senate

3364
02:09:03,050 --> 02:09:00,060
do you think that this possibility is a

3365
02:09:04,850 --> 02:09:03,060
real one it is I mean you know they're

3366
02:09:06,410 --> 02:09:04,860
briefing them in on something I don't

3367
02:09:09,410 --> 02:09:06,420
think the military

3368
02:09:12,169 --> 02:09:09,420
has some actual UFO sleep amount I don't

3369
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,179
think they do because it well let me put

3370
02:09:15,709 --> 02:09:13,920
a pause on that it's not that hard to

3371
02:09:18,109 --> 02:09:15,719
reverse engineer technology if you've

3372
02:09:19,129 --> 02:09:18,119
seen of any machine and you you got

3373
02:09:20,990 --> 02:09:19,139
DaVinci he's going to figure out how

3374
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,000
thing works it's so much harder to

3375
02:09:24,589 --> 02:09:23,040
actually make it in the first place and

3376
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:24,599
yeah smartphone might be something you

3377
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:25,440
can handle most people they don't have

3378
02:09:29,270 --> 02:09:26,880
to do it but yes you could hand that to

3379
02:09:30,410 --> 02:09:29,280
an NGO from 50 years ago and you take

3380
02:09:32,209 --> 02:09:30,420
the pawn and say oh that's how this

3381
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:32,219
works it might be a little bit more

3382
02:09:35,570 --> 02:09:33,360
through it than that but they could do

3383
02:09:36,890 --> 02:09:35,580
it if we have this thing there's so much

3384
02:09:38,510 --> 02:09:36,900
technology we should be able to do right

3385
02:09:40,729 --> 02:09:38,520
now starting with the big one which is

3386
02:09:43,370 --> 02:09:40,739
cheap energy and you always want cheap

3387
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,380
energy there's so many economic Booms

3388
02:09:47,810 --> 02:09:45,599
that come from cheap energy

3389
02:09:49,729 --> 02:09:47,820
um especially space file side you know

3390
02:09:50,570 --> 02:09:49,739
that variety is so good

3391
02:09:52,430 --> 02:09:50,580
um

3392
02:09:55,070 --> 02:09:52,440
do we have one of these things I don't

3393
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:55,080
know we might I never put it past the

3394
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:56,639
government again I'm a government

3395
02:10:01,430 --> 02:09:58,320
employee myself I work for the Secretary

3396
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,440
of State my wife's a house rep we you

3397
02:10:04,970 --> 02:10:03,360
get to know the sokos and you're Amazed

3398
02:10:06,830 --> 02:10:04,980
by both the level of competence some

3399
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,840
people have at a level of insane

3400
02:10:10,570 --> 02:10:08,400
incompetence people have and the

3401
02:10:13,550 --> 02:10:10,580
mixtures you get and the government

3402
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:13,560
never ceases to amaze and surprise me

3403
02:10:18,410 --> 02:10:16,320
with the things that they can do both

3404
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:18,420
competently and Incredibly incompetently

3405
02:10:22,129 --> 02:10:20,159
I don't believe they could ever hit a

3406
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:22,139
UFO for us I still would not be the

3407
02:10:24,649 --> 02:10:23,280
least bit surprised if you actually had

3408
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:24,659
generals going in there briefing the

3409
02:10:27,169 --> 02:10:26,159
intelligence could be on that and they

3410
02:10:29,930 --> 02:10:27,179
did not know what the heck they were

3411
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:29,940
talking about okay have you been in so

3412
02:10:34,189 --> 02:10:32,639
you worked at Wright-Patt yeah did you

3413
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:34,199
and one of the billions something people

3414
02:10:38,530 --> 02:10:35,520
thought was I had people come by and

3415
02:10:44,530 --> 02:10:41,629
have you been inside Hangar 18 I watched

3416
02:10:47,330 --> 02:10:44,540
Pizza get delivered to it

3417
02:10:49,310 --> 02:10:47,340
I walked into today and I'll add that

3418
02:10:51,229 --> 02:10:49,320
fun story because the building I was

3419
02:10:52,490 --> 02:10:51,239
working in was was having gigantic

3420
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:52,500
voltage like the kind of looks like you

3421
02:10:57,470 --> 02:10:55,679
need like you know C4 to bust into and

3422
02:10:58,970 --> 02:10:57,480
nobody knew who what was in it it was

3423
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,980
just they it was locked up we were using

3424
02:11:01,850 --> 02:11:00,239
a building because he's so propaganda

3425
02:11:03,530 --> 02:11:01,860
film and it had no windows so it was

3426
02:11:04,970 --> 02:11:03,540
very suspicious looking you know they

3427
02:11:07,250 --> 02:11:04,980
want the film and catch on file we're

3428
02:11:08,990 --> 02:11:07,260
doing Photon counts the very dark areas

3429
02:11:10,070 --> 02:11:09,000
for that and there was this giant vote I

3430
02:11:11,390 --> 02:11:10,080
had no idea was it and we finally got

3431
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:11,400
the corner come down and find the code

3432
02:11:15,470 --> 02:11:12,719
to open the thing and there was nothing

3433
02:11:17,689 --> 02:11:15,480
in there but one piece of paper

3434
02:11:21,609 --> 02:11:17,699
just giant expensive on one piece of

3435
02:11:26,570 --> 02:11:25,550
uh so it's under it's underneath they

3436
02:11:29,330 --> 02:11:26,580
must have been left while they were busy

3437
02:11:33,010 --> 02:11:29,340
clearly yeah no no no the room the room

3438
02:11:35,149 --> 02:11:33,020
is the mask

3439
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:35,159
to go down

3440
02:11:42,589 --> 02:11:39,840
Isaac so much man Hey listen uh happy

3441
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:42,599
holidays you're one of the very best and

3442
02:11:47,149 --> 02:11:45,599
and our conversations uh I I look

3443
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,159
forward to them but they're always so

3444
02:11:51,290 --> 02:11:49,440
great tonight was another one thank you

3445
02:11:52,850 --> 02:11:51,300
so much my friend that's good to be on

3446
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:52,860
again Jimmy thanks so much for having me

3447
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:55,679
I the man in Black

3448
02:12:01,550 --> 02:11:58,800
Isaac Arthur thank you so much Isaac and

3449
02:12:03,770 --> 02:12:01,560
go to Isaac arthur.net that's Isaac's

3450
02:12:06,109 --> 02:12:03,780
website everything is there uh YouTube

3451
02:12:08,950 --> 02:12:06,119
Twitter everything you need to know

3452
02:12:12,169 --> 02:12:08,960
about Isaac is right there at Isaac

3453
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:12,179
arthur.net and uh go and check you do

3454
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:14,400
new episodes every Thursday right every

3455
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:16,560
Thursday and this one was uh we're

3456
02:12:19,910 --> 02:12:18,000
having coming out it'll be uh

3457
02:12:21,470 --> 02:12:19,920
Interstellar colonization strategies

3458
02:12:22,490 --> 02:12:21,480
tomorrow and then for those who are

3459
02:12:24,050 --> 02:12:22,500
really in the tiplo we actually have

3460
02:12:26,030 --> 02:12:24,060
that Omega Point episode coming out

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later this month I want to say January

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19th the best Isaac Arthur thank you so

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much Isaac

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happy holidays and with that let's get

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out of here went to overtime man man I

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haven't done that in a while Isaac

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Arthur

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amazing conversation I am your host

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Jimmy Church

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tomorrow night I've got a surprise guest

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that's gonna blow everybody out of the

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water and if you listen really close

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tonight I even said his name

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I did that for a reason Fade to Black is

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produced by him today Palm Renee Denison

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Kevin announcers are there are none

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drew the geek music Doug Aldridge intro

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black is produced by kjcr for the game

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changer Network and this podcast is oh

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and then copyrighted 2023 by Fade to

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Black in the game changer Network Inc it

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or used anywhere in the known universe

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Black to the game changer Network I'm

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your excuse me church until tomorrow

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go back Lee tappy

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